Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

[marshmallow]

"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.

On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).

On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.

It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."

Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."

If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?

"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."

To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....

[metmom]

Like this.....?

Prayer to Our Lady of Hope

O Mary, my Mother, I kneel before you with heavy heart. The burden of my sins oppresses me.  The knowledge of my weakness discourages me.  I am beset by fears and temptations of every sort.  Yet I am so attached to the things of this world that instead of longing for Heaven I am filled with dread at the thought of death.

O Mother of Mercy, have pity on me in my distress.  You are all-powerful with your Divine Son.  He can refuse no request of your Immaculate Heart.  Show yourself a true Mother to me by being my advocate before His throne.   O Refuge of Sinners and Hope of the Hopeless, to whom shall I turn if not you?

Obtain for me, then, O Mother of Hope, the grace of true sorrow for my sins, the gift of perfect resignation to God’s Holy Will, and the courage to take up my cross and follow Jesus.  Beg of His Sacred Heart the special favor that I ask in this novena. (Make your request)

But above all I pray, O dearest Mother, that through your most powerful intercession my heart may be filled with Holy Hope, so that in life’s darkest hour I may never fail to trust in God my Savior, but by walking in the way of His commandments I may merit to be united with Him, and with you in the eternal joys of Heaven. Amen.

Mary, our Hope, have pity on us.

Hope of the Hopeless, pray for us. Recite 3 Hail Marys

[metmom]

Or this.....?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2680611/posts?page=969#969

Here are some statements by Catholics on a Catholic website about Mary. And there’s lots more on that website.

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary18b.htm

Listen, all you who desire the Kingdom of God! Honor and serve the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, and you will find life and eternal salvation!
St. Bonaventure

Whoever honors, loves, serves, and invokes Mary with humility and confidence will ascend to Paradise.
St. John Eudes

If you persevere until death in true devotion to Mary, you salvation is certain.
St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori

The Saints assert that anyone who prays to the Mother of God in time of temptation will be preserved from sin, and that whoever approaches her with perfect trust throughout his life will surely be saved.
St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe

He will not taste death forever who, in his dying moments, has recourse to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Pope Pius XI

My children, if you desire perseverance, be devout to our Blessed Lady.
St. Philip Neri

If I love Mary, I am certain of perseverance, and I shall obtain whatever I wish from God.
St. John Berchmans

I firmly believe I owe my deliverance to the sole intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
St. Vincent de Paul

The gates of Heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary.
St. Bonaventure

Blessed are they who turn with sincere affection to most holy Mary, extending her glory in the world and magnifying her name in the Catholic Church in opposition to the crack-brained insanity of heretics and infidels . . . Those who magnify her attain eternal life. No sinner, howsoever great and abominable he might be, shall be excluded from redemption and justification, nor shall he fail to attain eternal life, if he invoke the intercession of this powerful Lady and Advocate.
Ven. Mary of Agreda

He who is devout to the Virgin Mother will certainly never be lost.
St. Ignatius of Antioch

Not one of those who love her can perish; not one of those who try to imitate her can fail to attain eternal salvation.
St. John Eudes

Not a single soul who has really persevered in her service has ever been damned.
St. Louis Marie de Montfort

[metmom]

Or this.....?

Lady of Perpetual Help Novenas

First Novena Prayer ( 1st. and 5th. Saturday)

Behold at thy feet, O Mother of Perpetual Help,| a wretched sinner who has recourse to thee and confides in thee.| O Mother of mercy, have pity on me. I hear thee called by all the refuge and the hope of sinners:| be then, my refuge and my hope.

Assist me, for the love of Jesus Christ;| stretch forth thy hand to a miserable fallen creature who recommends himself to thee, and who devotes himself to thy service for ever.| I bless and thank Almighty God, who in His mercy has given me this confidence in thee,| which I hold to be a pledge of my eternal salvation.|

It is true that in the past I have miserably fallen into sin,| because I had not recourse to thee.| I know that, with thy help, I shall conquer.| I know too, that thou wilt assist me, if I recommend myself to thee;| but I fear dear Mother | that in time of danger, I may neglect to call on thee,| and thus lose my soul.| This grace, then, I ask of thee, and this I beg, with all the fervor of my soul,| that in all the attacks of hell I may ever have recourse to thee.| O Mary, help me.| O Mother of Perpetual Help, never suffer me to lose my God.

3 Ave’s

Hail Mary , full of grace , the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, JESUS. R: Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Second Novena Prayer (2nd. and 4th. Saturday) O Mother of Perpetual Help, grant that I may ever invoke thy most powerful name, which is the safeguard of the living and the salvation of the dying. O purest Mary, O sweetest Mary, let thy name henceforth be ever on my lips. Delay not, O Blessed Lady, to help me, whenever I call on thee; for, in all my temptations, in all my needs, I shall never cease to call on thee, ever repeating thy sacred name, Mary, Mary. O what consolation, what sweetness, what confidence, what emotion fills my soul when I utter thy sacred name, or even only think of thee. I thank the Lord for having given thee, for my good, so sweet, so powerful, so lovely a name. But I will not be content with merely uttering thy name. Let my love for thee prompt me ever to hail thee, Mother of Perpetual Help.

3 Ave’s

Third Novena Prayer ( 3rd. Saturday)

O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery.

Thou are the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me amongst thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou wilt protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased.

But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. 3 Ave’s

P: Pray for us O Holy Mother of God

R: That we may be made worthy of the promises of eternal life

[Elsie]

Dang!

I go to sleep and wake up to find 300 more replies in this thread!!

[Elsie]

The total absence of even a FALSE claim is evidence that EVERYONE—even potential fraudsters—knew that such a claim would be believed by NO ONE.

You just got a failing grade in Logic 101.

[Elsie]

I say that you don’t know what unanimous consent of the fathers means:

#352

[Elsie]

What I posted is true - and that’s why no one from the usual Protestant anti-Catholic crowd here will deal actually address your erroneous beliefs about “sleep” in the Bible.

You guys compiled it.

Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:2

[Elsie]

Probably more often than you have.

And you STILL don't get it?

[Elsie]

Post from the Church for a change.

Which part of the CC do you want to see?

[Elsie]

Sure it was, Bob.

[Elsie]

I'd say it illustrates the exact opposite.

You've gone ahead and said it. Now SHOW that Phil actually USED any tradition in talking with the eunuch.

[Elsie]

Do you honestly think that simply the lack of Mary's remains would prevent "fraudsters" from claiming they have them. Seriously?

Rome: Get rid of ALL of Mary's stuff.

We'll claim she was ASSUMED.

[af_vet_1981]

It’s good to see that you agree that Mary did not contribute to the divine (God part) of Jesus so thus is not the “mother of God”.

Mary is the mother of Jesus. Mary is the mother of Emmanuel. Emmanuel is interpreted by the Holy Spirit before your very eyes as God with Us." Mary is the mother of "God with Us." Mary is the mother of God. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

[Elsie]

I am implying...

I've noticed that adhering to Catholicism's teachings causes a LOT of this to be done.

[Elsie]

She is not prayed TO.

I suspect that by your statement here, that you have NOT read thru this thread.

It has been CLEARLY shown, a multitude of times, that she IS prayed TO.

If you continue to make this claim; I can only think one thing about your veracity.

[Elsie]

Elsie explained it best:

The BIBLE explains it simply.

[Elsie]

You are merely pretending that my argument is somehow illogical.

No...

You are merely pretending that your argument is somehow logical.

[Elsie]

She is a help.

Oh; she reads minds then...

[Elsie]

What is consistent is that Protestant anti-Catholics have little or no idea of what they’re talking about.

Matthew 16:13-18

 

 

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"  

They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."  

"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"  

Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."  

Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.   And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.    I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

 

 

[ealgeone]

your post 882...wow....the apostacy has been going on for years.