Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
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I'd say it illustrates the exact opposite.
Philip, being one of the 12 apostles chosen by Jesus, was the very embodiment of apostolic tradition.
Apostolic tradition, or succession, comes to us through the same Apostles.
I she also the mother of the Holy Spirit as He is a part of the Trinity also?
“Flee from tradition and the reasoning of men. Believe God’s Word - you are complete in HIM.”
You have those verses because of translations of Spirit-inspired writings in other languages. Translations require REASON: context, interpretation, conjecture, history. That is how Scripture evolved, that is how Catholic teaching evolved, such as the Immaculare Conception, such as Warrens work, such as your writing above -All of it is potentially inspired and true. If any of the teaching on Mary has a meaning outside the core Truth of Scripture (not literal truth), you show us - you haven’t shown that yet.
Was Jesus human nature part of the Tinity?
Is that bed a graven image?
http://biblehub.com/greek/5487.htm
Luke 1:28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”
Ephesians 1:4-6 In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
Greek word “grace”
charitoó: to make graceful, endow with grace
Original Word: χαριτόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: charitoó
Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)
Short Definition: I favor, bestow freely on
Definition: I favor, bestow freely on.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).
Word Origin: from charis
Definition: to make graceful, endow with grace
NASB Translation: favored (1), freely bestowed (1).
Elsie explained it best:
Mary is dead.
Do you honestly think that simply the lack of Mary's remains would prevent "fraudsters" from claiming they have them. Seriously?
You are merely pretending that my argument is somehow illogical.
When people don't do what they normally do, an explanation is called for, and is often possible to establish. The absence of CHARACTERISTIC behavior is EVIDENCE. It is used all the time by historians, criminologists, prosecutors, etc.
So, what is YOUR explanation for the UNUSUAL behavior of the early Christians when it comes to any possible relics of Mary?
Luke 2:48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you."
Sin right there.
Absolutely not. The mere absence of a body would not have that effect.
I am implying that the early Christian community all BELIEVED something that would result in NO ONE believing ANY claim by ANYONE--true or false--to have a corpse or any relics of Mary.
Your post, as usual, is flawed.
The Kenrick quote in isolation misrepresents his overall view of Peter as the Rock. It’s just that simple.
“And what would be misrepresenting Kenrick would be to invoke him as one who always supported the infallible Roman papacy as V1 declared it.”
In any case, Kenrick still believed in papal infallibility. His view was that it was exercised in union with the world’s bishops. That still means his view rejects every contrary Protestant view. It’s always funny when Protestant anti-Catholics - not really knowing what they’re talking about - cite a Catholic as an ally to their heretical views when that same Catholic still doesn’t believe what Protestants believe and in fact believes something much closer to what the Protestants are condemning. The Protestant anti-Catholics are usually too stupid to realize that is the case. Archbishop Kenrick submitted obediently to the decision of the Council. He died. The Church didn’t. The papacy didn’t. Papal Infallibility didn’t either.
How is it mistaken? I guess maybe it’s not fair to put the burden of proof ion you. But you, and others who’ve tried for 2000 years, have not shown how any truly Catholic Marian teaching is in conflict with the Bible.
She is not prayed TO. She is not a goddess. She is a help.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
: Now who was it again you say is closer and has more access?
“My reading of it is more often and longer than yours.”
Perhaps, but clearly not as fruitful.
“so it means whatever we want. wow...that’s a consistent way to understand things.”
What is consistent is that Protestant anti-Catholics have little or no idea of what they’re talking about. Stephen Ray’s article proves that. . . again.
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