May I suggest...
Posted on 12/03/2014 10:23:22 AM PST by NKP_Vet
In a new video, megachurch leader and author Rick Warren is calling for Christians to unite with Roman Catholics and “Pope Francis,” who Warren recently referred to as the “Holy Father”—a move that is raising concerns among Christians nationwide and is resulting in calls for Warren to repent.
Warren made the comments following his visit to the Vatican last month, where he spoke at an interfaith conference on the “Complementarity of Man and Woman.”
“We have far more in common than what divides us,” he said in the two-minute video released by the Catholic News Service on Wednesday, described as being an outline for “an ecumenical vision for Catholics and Protestants to work together to defend the sanctity of life, sex and marriage.”
“They would all say, ‘We believe in the Trinity; we believe in the Bible; we believe in the resurrection; we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ,” Warren asserted, speaking of the various denominations within Christianity, of which he included Roman Catholicism. “These are the big issues.”
The author of the bestselling book “The Purpose Driven Life” then sought to defend Catholics from those who take issue with the practice of seeking the intercession of Mary and the various deceased persons that have been sainted by the Vatican.
“Sometimes protestants think that Catholics worship Mary like she’s another god, but that’s not exactly Catholic doctrine,” Warren contended. “People say, ‘What are the saints all about? Why are you praying to the saints?’ And when you understand what they mean by what they’re saying, there’s a whole lot more commonality [that we have with Roman Catholics].”
“There’s still real differences—no doubt about that,” Warren stated. “But the most important thing is, if you love Jesus, we’re on the same team.”
He closed by speaking of his belief that Christians and Catholics serve as co-laborers for the cause of defending life and family.
“When it comes to the family, we are co-workers in the field in this for the protection of the sanctity of life, the sanctity of sex and the sanctity of marriage,” Warren said. “So, there’s a great commonality and there’s no division on any of those three.”
But Warren’s comments have raised concern from Christian leaders nationwide, who are now calling the Saddleback leader to repentance. Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) repudiated each of Warren’s points.
“Sure, there are Catholics who love the real Christ, the one who died on the cross for our sins. That is not the problem,” he said. “The problem is the Roman Catholic Church’s false teachings concerning Mary and salvation.”
“Rick Warren says both the Catholics and the Protestants believe in the Bible. But, there is a significant difference between the Bible of the Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, which has added seven books,” Slick wrote. “[T]here are numerous problems in the apocryphal books, such as the teaching of salvation by works [and] the offering of money for the sins of the dead.”
“Warren implies that both Protestants and Catholics have the same view of salvation,” he continued. “Though it’s technically correct to say that Catholics believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, they reject justification by faith alone in Christ alone. Instead, it teaches that good works of various kinds are necessary for salvation.”
The Christian apologist then pointed to several Roman Catholic teachings on Mary, mainly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), such as that Mary “by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation” and that “[b]y asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the ‘Mother of Mercy,’ the All-Holy One.”
“Rick Warren has not only failed to recognize the problems in these serious areas, but he has lent his credibility as a Protestant pastor in support of the Roman Catholic Church,” Slick wrote. “This should never be done by any Protestant pastor who takes the Bible seriously. I must conclude that Mr. Warren does not take the word of God seriously and/or he does not understand the damnable teachings of Roman Catholicism regarding salvation.”
“Rick Warren needs to repent,” he said.
May I suggest...
There is STILL a little time left over at the end of the day to beat her husband.
Says the man who skirts the clear teaching of Catholic leaders that have been POSTED in this thread.
Do you not realize you have NO credibility here?
I does.
Of COURSE they do!
They are NOT members of GOD's True Church!!!
That 'church' teaches you CAN'T know if you are saved!
Golly; I hope none of those ignorant PROTs have the audacity to post yet MORE Catholic teaching on this subject!
--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(I'm avoiding dealing with the stuff they've already posted now!)
Ay, laddie!
100% commando; too!
Yes...like proper subject-verb agreement, Rick.
:)
Most Catholics don’t.
If they covered it up!
(Which is what Rome did for the rapists, and that has ALWAYS been my point)
Wanna BET???
Matthew 13:24-30 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
I seem to recall something about SEVEN Catholic churches in Asia. I think John may have said something about them...
...God did not allow the scriptures to be in error either...
...things hoped for.
That has ALWAYS been the point.
It’s been made time and again and time and again, it has received no recognition or even an acknowledgement that that is what the real issue is.
It appears that there is some level of delusion or deception in the minds of Catholics that prevents them from either of those two actions.
It's been acknowledged and recognized for what it is. Protestant deception. The real issue is that in order for protestants to maintain the lie that Catholics follow men and not Christ and His Church the protestant must insist that the sins of men must fundamentally alter our way of thinking about Christ and His promise to us. Thus proving it is the protestant who puts their faith in man and not God.
It is the protestant who allows their faith to be shaken by the failings of man. For the protestant the only choice to them for such things is either a) fire their leaders or b) move on and find another ecclesial community or c) start their own.
In short, the protestant will not rest until their concern-trolling has transformed some Catholic into a fellow traveler who exclaims "OMG! Some gay priest messed with a kid and other gays or gay-sympathizers in the Church conspired to cover it up. I must now now question the validity of the Eucharist.
So, we recognize. More than you think we do. We also recognize where such things come from and it's not from God.
I'll give you the floor. Tell us how he only just lately found out about this from the news just like the rest of us. He has instructed his Eric er I mean assistant to look into the matter and possibly form a committee.
What congregation did they send Judas to or what part of the "organization" did they allow him to hold? Is Judas really the example Catholics use?
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