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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“So Shem was white? Ham was black? Japeth was Oriental?”

Why would you assume they all had to be different races? That’s a strange assumption. Are you going to tell us that black skin is the “curse of Cain” next?

“All this in 2350BC? How do you explain Chinese history which goes back before 2350BC?”

The Egyptians claimed their Pharaohs ruled for tens of thousands of years, but we know that is not true. Nearly every pagan culture claims an impossibly long history, and they also usually claim to have always lived in the land they are in now, despite the fact that we know they migrated from elsewhere. Those writers were simply not very reliable.

“The purpose of the flood was to kill the hybrids, the progeny of the fallen angels and the daughters of Adam. God didn’t have to kill all of the blacks, the orientals, or anyone else, Satan wasn’t targeting them, Satan was using the fallen angels targeting Adam’s family to stop Jesus from being born. Eight Adamic souls were saved, the rest of Adam’s family were not perfect in their generations, they had mixed with the fallen angels. The bible is the story of Adam’s family and those in contact with them.”

If you are claiming there were others saved besides the eight on the Ark, then they couldn’t have souls, so they couldn’t be men. So what are you saying exactly? That some other races look human but do not have human souls?

“Since the crucifixion, all one needs is to believe in Christ and they become part of Adam’s family as God’s promise to Abraham becomes fulfilled.”

But if you don’t, you are subhuman? Is that it?


541 posted on 11/28/2014 7:01:29 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: editor-surveyor

What about voyeurs? They like to observe...


542 posted on 11/28/2014 7:03:29 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: terycarl

The Hebrews were not stone age aborines, they were living in the cradle of civilization. They used the earliest alphabet invented in the world. They had just left Egypt, a center of learning and technology, and would soon enter Israel and then begin building their own marvel of engineering in Jerusalem. They may have been pastoral, but I don’t think we can assume they were morons.


543 posted on 11/28/2014 7:08:20 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: verga

1 Corinthians 11 New King James Version (NKJV)

11 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. 6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

17 Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you. 20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. 21 For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk. 22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

33 Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come


544 posted on 11/28/2014 7:19:12 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter

Ooooo goody another prot proof texting for no good reason. Ping me when you can quote in context.


545 posted on 11/28/2014 7:26:59 AM PST by verga (Being "squishy" on discipline is just as destructive as being wrong on doctrine; in some ways, more)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“No, we study to know when a day is a day to us and when a day is a day to God:”

Then you must have some rule or principle that you can tell us, so that we can apply that principle consistently in determining which is which. Do you have such a principle? Or do you just choose “a day” or “a thousand years” depending on what is convenient for you?


546 posted on 11/28/2014 7:32:32 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Elsie

Great quote.


547 posted on 11/28/2014 7:39:21 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Elsie

Your post 532 is eye-opening and inspired.


548 posted on 11/28/2014 8:20:47 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor: "You do not understand what 'science' is, apparently.
Science is the gathering of information."

Oh, but I do understand, and it's you who are deeply mistaken.
In fact, by US law and tradition, our word "science" is short for our Founders' term "natural-science" which is expressly limited to the search for natural explanations of natural processes -- explanations you mistakenly call "propaganda", "politics" and "manipulation".

The truth of the matter is that today's word "science" is the result you get, when you exclude all data and explanations which are not "natural".
Sure, editor-surveyor doesn't personally like it, that's obvious, but it's still the fact nonetheless.

So, I'll repeat, as regards Genesis, Genesis is not about natural-science, but rather about God, how God created nature, how God rules over natural-science and how, on occasion, God over-rules science.
And my key point here is, if you can't believe that, then you are not really a Believer, period.

editor-surveyor: "Do you really think that aligning your self with academia makes you look 'intelligent?' "

No, my "alignment" is with our Founders' understandings of the term "natural-science", regardless of how "intelligent" you may, or may not, suppose me to be.

549 posted on 11/28/2014 8:23:22 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: verga
Ooooo goody another prot proof texting for no good reason.

Okay, I'm calling you on this type of accusatory posting. RCs have done the same...and on this very thread.

Stop that.
550 posted on 11/28/2014 8:25:42 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: boatbums
boatbums: "There comes a point where science is wholly inadequate to explain the infinite and that is where faith comes in."

I couldn't find a word of yours to disagree with, only here to add an idea to help you understand a very important point:
The reason our word "science" is wholly inadequate to explain anything supernatural, spiritual, philosophical or even ethical, is because "science" in our culture & law is short for our Founders' term "natural-science", which is expressly limited to natural explanations of natural processes.

In other words, by self-imposed limitations, "science" cannot legitimately address anything beyond the natural realm.

That's why it doesn't matter religiously what science says about creation or evolution, etc., if we believe God created the Universe, then we must also believe that God is firmly in charge of whatever scientists observe or theorize.

551 posted on 11/28/2014 8:32:42 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: Elsie

The verse doesn’t say they are unable, but merely implies the angels in heaven do not marry.

There are cases of demons, i.e. fallen angels, without bodies, who engage in sexual activity with humans. They are forbidden, but not impossible. They also are sought by those in some occultic circles.

While I don’t know with certainty that such an interpretation of Gen 6 is true, there is definitely sound historical basis to support that interpretation.


552 posted on 11/28/2014 8:37:33 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "I ask, where is ‘here’ for you? Meaning where can we as Christians and even Hebrews/Jews take Scriptures as literally true?"

I would answer you with another question: which do you consider the higher truth, so-called literal, or spiritual?
The Bible is not a literal scientific treatise, presenting forensic evidence confirming its hypotheses, but rather a spiritual document presenting revealed Word from God.
The Bible is not confirmed by physical experiments & observations, but rather by spiritual understandings, taught by life itself, and by patient explanations from those who already Believe.

That's why I see no conflict between the Bible and science -- natural-science is strictly man-made observations and theories which expressly exclude supernatural or spiritual explanations.
In both theory and fact, every scientific idea can be overturned by new data or ideas, so everything about science is tentative, pending something better to come.

And the spiritual message of the Bible has nothing to do with today's scientific ideas, and remains Truth regardless of how those latest ideas change.

Do you agree?

553 posted on 11/28/2014 8:50:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: Elsie

Thanks!


554 posted on 11/28/2014 8:51:42 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: Elsie
So will OPEN-mindnesses!

Open-mindedness is more considering multiple possibilities then choosing the correct one that aligns with truth.

555 posted on 11/28/2014 8:56:13 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie
I have no idea; but there must have been SOME difference; for it to be included in the Scriptures we've been left with.

Included where?

556 posted on 11/28/2014 8:57:19 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie
I'm assuming you are focusing on this, since that seems to be how much of the discussion is going.

Focused? Not any more than any other scripture that supports logical answers.

It appears to me to mean that Noah was an all-round good guy; during the times when VERY few were in existence. It is a concise description of the rest of the story to follow.

So "perfect in his generations" means Noah was nice to you? That's a long way to say he was nice. lol

No, it means the fallen angels hadn't corrupted anyone in his ancestry or his family. That's why he was saved, he was still perfect to bring along the messiah. All others of Adam's family had hybrid blood, blood of the fallen angels, those that left their habitation to take the daughters of Adam.

557 posted on 11/28/2014 9:03:01 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie
But by Moses' time, He was ready wipe them out again! “I have seen these people,” the LORD said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.” Exodus 32:9-10, NIV

Not because of the fallen angels this time though.

558 posted on 11/28/2014 9:04:40 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie

Why was that post to me?


559 posted on 11/28/2014 9:07:11 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie
Wow! I have managed to miss this for years!

There's a lot you have missed, true.

560 posted on 11/28/2014 9:08:53 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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