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To: kinsman redeemer

Obama and Pope Francis do have a lot of similarities, actually, not only in their possible programs (I say possible, because they are both very shadowy about their actual intentions) but in their style.


3 posted on 11/08/2014 4:40:51 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Fundamental transformation of the Church.


4 posted on 11/08/2014 4:43:48 AM PST by Salvey
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To: livius

This is an ignorant, bigoted anti-Catholic article.

The author knows nothing about the Catholics or people of faith for that matter.

The only take away from this article is learning how ignorant anti-Catholic bigots are.


10 posted on 11/08/2014 5:23:28 AM PST by detective
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To: GBA
Adding Putin's positioning to the "windswept house" that is the Vatican, plus the (not so) great apostasy of this rebellious world, my calculator says the clock is running out on our times:

Blessed Pius IX : "There will come a great sign that will fill the world with awe. But this will occur only after the triumph of a revolution during which the Church will undergo ordeals which are beyond description."

And here we are...

11 posted on 11/08/2014 5:31:22 AM PST by GBA (Hick with a keyboard.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

It looks like your first comments were deleted, so I don’t know your opinion on this topic.

I myself agree with the Pope on one issue: that the process of annulment needs to be streamlined. Because the process is so lengthy and expensive, it enables people with more money and influence to obtain annulments easier, whereas other people with very good reasons for annulment cannot afford to.

Also, I’ve met a few Catholics (most of whom are women in their “golden years”) whose spouses committed adultery and/or left them. They have been told that infidelity is not a valid reason to be granted an annulment.


17 posted on 11/08/2014 6:06:30 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: livius

Looking at this from the point of view of tactics, here are some possibilities.

1) Benedict may have resigned because he found himself stalemated by the “liberal” faction, a minority, but one with just enough power to prevent reform, not to lead.

2) He figured that the best way to break them up would be to let them take over, knowing that the vast majority do not want what the liberals are selling, and it would also force them to put their cards on the table.

3) As such, this would “divide the flock between sheep and goats”, and all could see what the goats were up to, when they were no longer hiding among the sheep.

Of course, as with any organization, there are both factions in competition with each other; and infiltrators, who seek to use the organization for their own ends. In the Catholic church there obviously was (or is) a strong homosexual faction, that in the 1960s and ‘70’s took over entire seminaries, and likely monasteries and convents.

The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), or really its leadership, have long been in open defiance, which horrifies many of its faithful younger members.

There was almost a schism in South America because of clergy embracing “liberation theology”, and this directly impacted Pope Francis.

The bottom line of all of this is not civil war, but just clarity of who are the sheep and who are the goats.


18 posted on 11/08/2014 6:07:43 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: livius

“God is not a divine being with a magic wand”. I’ll never forget that one.


31 posted on 11/08/2014 6:55:34 AM PST by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: livius

Pray hard, God will never forget His own.


38 posted on 11/08/2014 7:14:23 AM PST by tiki
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To: livius

I’d say based on the evidence that both are “community activists” and are wanting to “fundamentally change” established institutions. They both may have good intentions but that does not change the fact they are destructive to those same institutions. Both feel chosen. Narcissism blinds one to ones own faults.


39 posted on 11/08/2014 7:15:10 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: livius

both of them are anti Christian


88 posted on 11/08/2014 10:57:28 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (Justice for officer Darren------------ PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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