Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pope Francis: ‘Evolution … is not inconsistent with the notion of creation’
Religious News Service ^ | October 27, 2014 | Josephine McKenna

Posted on 10/29/2014 10:13:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7

.“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.

(Excerpt) Read more at religionnews.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; genesis; god; modernism; pope; popefrancis; unbelievable
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-71 next last
To: kosciusko51

lol

Babelfish was so awesome, in a B-movie kind of way.

Of course if you use eastern languages, it Google Translate is pretty bad too


41 posted on 10/29/2014 11:35:38 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51

In any event, the whole context of the statement conveys a clear papal endorsement of theistic evolution.


42 posted on 10/29/2014 11:35:41 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Resettozero

http://www.religionnews.com/about/

Not a Catholic site at all.


43 posted on 10/29/2014 11:36:54 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Resettozero

You are correct on the “in love” part. I was just furious after watching a documentary on the sex abuse cases at the Catholic school for the deaf. How the clergy, cardinals and pope responded to that scandle and how they tried to hide it made my blood boil! Of course the church has apologized so all’s good, right?


44 posted on 10/29/2014 11:37:50 AM PDT by wheat_grinder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Resettozero

http://www.religionnews.com/about/

About
Our Vision
The Religion News Service aims to be the largest single source of news about religion, spirituality and ideas. We strive to inform, illuminate and inspire public discourse on matters relating to belief and convictions.
Mission
RNS is a non-profit, limited liability corporation owned by the Religion Newswriters Foundation and based at the University of Missouri School of Journalism. RNS’s mission is to provide in-depth, non-sectarian coverage of religion, spirituality and ideas.
RNS advances its mission through our website and by partnering with regional hubs and a diverse group of subscribers who distribute our work.
RNS strives to meet the highest standards of public service journalism. Through our work, we report, write, compile, record and post news, features, photos and video.
Our goal is to promote civic engagement and discourse on religion. We strive to inform and challenge our readers, out of a conviction that religious literacy is a necessary component of effective citizenship.
RNS does not endorse or promote any particular religion, creed or set of beliefs or non-beliefs. We are a secular organization committed to an ongoing conversation about the role of religion in public life.
Advisory Board
• Linda Woodhead, professor of Sociology of Religion, Lancaster University, U.K.
• Sara Silvestri, senior lecturer in international politics and religion, City University London
• Mark Stencel, managing editor, Digital News, NPR
• Steve Waldman, senior visiting media policy scholar at Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism
• Eboo Patel, founder and director of the Interfaith Youth Core
• Gustav Niebuhr, associate professor in Religion and Media, Syracuse University
• Fiona Morgan, researcher, DeWitt Wallace Center for Media and Democracy, Duke University
• Michael Cromartie, vice president, Ethics and Public Policy Center
• Omid Safi, professor of Religious Studies, UNC Chapel Hill
• Ari L. Goldman, professor of journalism, Columbia University
• Richard Ostling, retired religion reporter, Time, Associated Press
• Bob Mong, editor, Dallas Morning News
• Jonathan Merritt, faith and culture writer
• Cathleen Falsani, writer, former religion reporter Chicago Sun-Times
• David Van Biema, author at Simon & Schuster; former head religion writer, Time
• Suhag Shukla, executive director and legal counsel, Hindu American Foundation
• Peter Steinfels, professor, Center on Religion and Culture, Fordham University
• Diana Eck, professor of Comparative Religion and Indian Studies, Harvard Divinity School
• Rabbi David Saperstein, director, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
• Samuel G. Freedman, New York Times‘ On Religion columnist, professor of journalism at Columbia University
• Thomas A. Tweed, professor of the history of Christianity, University of Texas, Austin
• Charles L. Cohen, director, Lubar Institute for the Study of the Abrahamic Religions, University of Wisconsin, Madison
• Charles C. Haynes, senior scholar, First Amendment Center; director of Religious Freedom Education Project, Newseum
• Diane Winston, Knight Chair in Media and Religion, Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism, University of Southern California
• Parker J. Palmer, founder and partner, Center for Courage and Renewal; writer
• Phyllis Tickle, founding editor, Publishers Weekly Religion Department
• The Rev. Joan Brown Campbell, director of religion, Chautauqua Institution; former general secretary of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
• Yehezkel Landau, professor, Interfaith Relations, Hartford Seminary
• Jay Hein, president, The Sagamore Institute, Indianapolis, Ind.
• Thomas Asher, program director, Social Science Research Council
• L. Gregory Jones, senior strategist, Leadership Education, Duke Divinity School; professor of theology
• Wes Granberg-Michaelson, general secretary emeritus, Reformed Church in America


45 posted on 10/29/2014 11:38:05 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51; Salvation

M-W Definition of DEMIURGE

1a : a Platonic subordinate deity who fashions the sensible world in the light of eternal ideas
1b : a Gnostic subordinate deity who is the creator of the material world


46 posted on 10/29/2014 11:38:34 AM PDT by Resettozero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Genoa

Agreed, but the popes have said this for a while. The shocking part to me was the “God/not a divine being”, which appears to be a mistranslation of “demiurgo”.


47 posted on 10/29/2014 11:39:41 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Proves only that you changed the report because you didn’t think your religious leader would say it.

That’s being less than frank.


48 posted on 10/29/2014 11:40:03 AM PDT by Resettozero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

What is this for?


49 posted on 10/29/2014 11:42:08 AM PDT by Resettozero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Only Roman Catholic translations count? And only how Roman Catholics are allowed to translate?

That’s what has kept so many souls in religious slavery for too long.


50 posted on 10/29/2014 11:44:18 AM PDT by Resettozero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51

True enough. But to say that God is not a demiurge is rather self-evident, isn’t it? And it begs the question by assuming that only a demiurge would create de novo. (As if anyone knew.) I wonder what the point was? It’s hard to believe these were prepared remarks. It’s understandable when such things are said spontaneously.


51 posted on 10/29/2014 11:46:51 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Genoa
It’s understandable when such things are said spontaneously.

Have RCs ditched the infallible part of popedom?
52 posted on 10/29/2014 11:48:32 AM PDT by Resettozero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: tophat9000
You are being too reasonable.

Nobody gots time for dat.

53 posted on 10/29/2014 11:49:10 AM PDT by BlueDragon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Resettozero; Salvation
Spontaneous statements, I believe, would not be considered ex cathedra, but I should think that prepared statements would. Maybe Salvation could tell us.
54 posted on 10/29/2014 11:50:50 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51; Salvation

Francis did NOT say

“God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life”

he said

“God is not a demiurge or a magician, but the Creator who gives being to all entities”

His speech can be found here:
http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=25869

The term “demiurge” is used by Gnostics and refers to an “artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and MAINTENANCE of the physical universe”

Francis did NOT say that God is not a devine being


55 posted on 10/29/2014 11:51:52 AM PDT by kidd
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Genoa

The language of the demiurge come from the Gnostics, and was actually used of Christ by them to separate Christ from the Godhead. By using the “demiurge/Creator” division, I think he is saying that God is superior to creation, and not vice versa. However, I am not a papal apologist, not pretend to be one.


56 posted on 10/29/2014 11:53:09 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: kidd

Yeah, found that a few posts back.


57 posted on 10/29/2014 11:53:55 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51
I am not a papal apologist

That would be a thankless job these days, second only to presidential spokesman.

58 posted on 10/29/2014 11:55:04 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Genoa
Spontaneous statements, I believe, would not be considered ex cathedra, but I should think that prepared statements would.

Have you found evidence of this manner of speaking by a pope at any time anywhere in Holy Scripture? I've looked; it's not there.

Must be a man-made (fallible) idea?
59 posted on 10/29/2014 11:55:16 AM PDT by Resettozero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Resettozero

Must be.


60 posted on 10/29/2014 11:56:38 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-71 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson