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Luther In Rome
European Institute For Protestant Studies ^ | Dr Clive Gillis

Posted on 10/24/2014 8:52:18 AM PDT by Gamecock

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1 posted on 10/24/2014 8:52:18 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Who cares what feelings Luther the pig, anti-Semite had?


2 posted on 10/24/2014 9:01:43 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Gamecock
The Bible henceforward was to be to Luther the true city of God.

Yea, after he re-wrote it and redacted seven OT books.

I'm working on a new novel myself, even as I post this. It's called Catcher in the Rye.

3 posted on 10/24/2014 9:01:53 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis.)
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To: Gamecock
Luther hated the mention of the word "reason." If you are curious google Luther and reason.

Reason is needed in relation to faith. They counterbalance each other. Reason's focus is on the mind and faith's focus is in the soul. One without the other causes a person to become schizophrenic in their thinking and their believing.

4 posted on 10/24/2014 9:08:09 AM PDT by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read all of Deuteronomy 28)
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To: sakic

“Who cares what feelings Luther the pig, anti-Semite had?”

Happy Friday to you as well and your day be filled with additional good cheer and love to your fellow man!


5 posted on 10/24/2014 9:11:21 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: sakic

“Who cares what feelings Luther the pig, anti-Semite had?.”

Millions and millions of Catholics, apparently?

I care about what Paul the apostle said, seeing that the Spirit used him to pen 14 (if you count HEBREWS) of the New Testament letters. There’s gold in them thar hills!


6 posted on 10/24/2014 9:12:36 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Gamecock

In his letter to the Romans, Paul said “the just shall live by faith” Romans 1:17

Was Luther studying Romans while he was in that city ???


7 posted on 10/24/2014 9:15:09 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gamecock
Reason is logos as in John 1:

In the beginning was Logos...

Logos, the Word, the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ. To reject reason is to reject Christ. Unless, of course, Luther changed that verse too.

8 posted on 10/24/2014 9:19:58 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I know Luther found freedom in ROMANS. So, let’s go to the Spirit inspired Source ourselves!


9 posted on 10/24/2014 9:20:49 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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"If there be a hell," said Luther, "Rome is built over it."

The truth then and the truth today. The Vatican is a whorehouse for homosexual, cross-dressing vermin who cynically steal from fools hoping to buy paradise. These are the false ones about whom it is written,

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7:22,23

10 posted on 10/24/2014 9:21:38 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for posting this. It was very interesting. He saw the truth and did something about it.


11 posted on 10/24/2014 9:24:09 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: sakic

I care that someone saw the truth and did something. We all should depend on the Bible instead of man.


12 posted on 10/24/2014 9:25:13 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Dr. Thorne
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.

-Martin Luther

13 posted on 10/24/2014 9:28:35 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis.)
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"From this time the doctrine of justification by faith alone - in other words, salvation by free grace - stood out before Luther as the one great comprehensive doctrine of revelation. He held that it was by departing from this doctrine that the Church had fallen into bondage, and had come to groan under penances and works of self-righteousness. In no other way, he believed, could the Church find her way back to truth and liberty than by returning to this doctrine."
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14 posted on 10/24/2014 9:29:56 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Gamecock

Luther’s Protestant Reformation gave rise to the Catholic Counter Reformation. There was a series of battles that were called the 100 Year War all over the aspect of christian belief. Yes people should care what Luther had to say. Look at what the Protestant Reformation brought about.

Rome of Luther’s day was the equivalent of Las Vegas of today Sin City.


15 posted on 10/24/2014 9:31:43 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Gamecock

Marty didn’t fix the church.

He actually very well may have had a well-defined case of Asperger Syndrome as he hammered with an overly-focused solution trying to repair a very real set of problems that were however quite outside of his narrow approach. And he held to it like a maniac.

If salvation is as Marty defined it, you would see Jesus hammering on “faith alone” and “scripture alone” like Marty did. But open your Bible and study Jesus’ words and works. Study Paul’s words. Compare the focus of Jesus to Marty’s. Compare the focus of Paul to Marty’s

Certainly faith and scripture are indispensable in the road to salvation, but Marty Luther, although a man of high drama, unlike many canonized saints and the apostles, was not all that Christ-like.


16 posted on 10/24/2014 9:36:13 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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Indeed, the Church was in bad shape and there were bad actors that needed to be exposed, but does that mean all Her doctrines needed to be turned about? He re-wrote Scripture to convince some people there was a shortcut to salvation. All by himself, without the aid of Councils, Synods, etc. Infallible teaching that was universally accepted by all of Christendom for 1400 years he changed in a few months. Ridiculous.


17 posted on 10/24/2014 9:42:39 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis.)
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To: sakic
"Let's burn Jews at the stake", said Luther never.


18 posted on 10/24/2014 9:43:19 AM PDT by Gamecock (USA, Ret.)
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To: Gamecock

Back in Germany, where Luther was a priest, prior to Justification by Faith, there was several practices of the Catholic Church that happened in the communities throughout all the Roman See. - Relics were traveling through the cities whereby the common man was to pay a price to see the relics. The concept of indulgences was in place. Yes and the faithful must make a pilgrimage to Rome. All these were abusives practices and they did not make ones faith. Luther brought about the Bible for all to be able read in their own language (German Bible). From this Calvin in France later Switzerland, and Zwingli, Bucer wrote many of the tenants of Protestant Faith, England was transformed too. Keep this in mind too. Protestant Work Ethic came about due in nature to Luther. The son of a mine owner whom left law school

Luther’s 95 Theses nailed to the Wittenberg Door was the equivalent of today of a Theological Discussion to ensue. Today the theologians post their work in journals and others debate the tenants discussed.


19 posted on 10/24/2014 9:44:40 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Repent and Believe
Marty didn’t fix the church.

No he didn't. If God gave up trying what chance did he have?

But open your Bible and study Jesus’ words and works.

That's what Martin Luther did and he saw the fallacy in trusting in Rome. If Rome is not the Whore of Babylon (Revelations), then she is a close runner up.

20 posted on 10/24/2014 9:45:27 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Three things to send back to Africa: Aids, ebola and Obama.)
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