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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: RegulatorCountry

Read a secular history source not the prot palaver you try to pass off.


81 posted on 10/04/2014 7:24:32 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: redleghunter

She could perhaps teach a kindergarten class, maybe.


82 posted on 10/04/2014 7:58:16 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: redleghunter; BlueDragon
>Please show me where Christ or apostles quote from apocryphal sources. http://scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books Deuterocanonical is a term coined in 1566 by the theologian Sixtus of Siena, who had converted to Catholicism from Judaism, to describe scriptural texts of the Old Testament considered canonical by the Catholic Church, but which are not present in the Hebrew Bible, and which had been omitted by some early canon lists, especially in the East.[1][2][3] Their acceptance among early Christians was widespread, though not universal, and the Bible of the early Church always included, with varying degrees of recognition, books now called deuterocanonical.[4] Some say that their canonicity seems not to have been doubted in the Church until it was challenged by Jews after AD 100,[5] sometimes postulating a hypothetical Council of Jamnia. Regional councils in the West published official canons that included these books as early as the 4th and 5th centuries.[2][6] The large majority of Old Testament references in the New Testament are taken from the Greek Septuagint (LXX)—which includes the deuterocanonical books, as well as apocrypha —both of which are called collectively ἀναγιγνωσκόμενα anagignoskomena (things that are read or "profitable reading").[9] Several appear to have been written originally in Hebrew, but the original text has long been lost. Archaeological finds, however, discovered some original texts among the Dead Sea scrolls. The Septuagint was widely accepted and used by Greek-speaking Jews in the 1st century, even in the region of Roman Judea, and therefore naturally became the text most widely used by early Christians, who were predominantly Greek speaking. In the New Testament, Hebrews 11:35 refers to an event that was recorded in one of the deuterocanonical books 2 Maccabees.[10] Other New Testament authors also quote period literature which was familiar to the audience but that was not included in the Old Testament or the deuterocanonical books. For instance, Paul cites Greek writers and philosophers, and the author of Hebrews references oral tradition which spoke of an Old Testament prophet who was sawn in half in Hebrews 11:37, two verses after the 2nd Maccabees reference. The Jewish historian Josephus speaks of there being 22 books in the canon of the Hebrew Bible,[11] a Jewish tradition reported also by the Christian bishop Athanasius. However, included in Athanasius's list of 22 Old Testament books are Baruch and the Letter of Jeremiah. At the same time, he mentioned that certain other books, including five deuterocanonical books but also the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas, while not being part of the canon, "were appointed by the Fathers to be read". He excluded what he called "apocryphal writings" entirely.[12]
83 posted on 10/04/2014 8:35:25 AM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: verga

None of the examples were Pagan practices.

Go to a Buddhist or Taoist Temple or Hindu to learn something about pagan practices.

Prayer and offerings for the dead and to the dead, intercession sought from the dead or from benevolent spirits other than God.

Kuanyin serves exactly as a Mary deity and the rites are quite similar as one obvious example.

Its pretty fascinating.

It’s understandable given the historical dynamics and not condemnatory of all of Catholicism.


84 posted on 10/04/2014 8:37:24 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
Go to a Buddhist or Taoist Temple or Hindu to learn something about pagan practices.

Seriously, that is your best shot. Look up the Druids, Greek and Roman Gods, the Balts, the Egyptians.

85 posted on 10/04/2014 8:50:57 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga

It’s not a shot.

You seem to think this is a competition.

I went to a wedding of dear friends a while ago. They are catholic, from Vietnam. It was a wonderful wedding at the local Mission.

Back home, after the wedding, they made their prayers and thanks to the Mary statuette with incense.

It was striking in how it exactly mirrored Buddhist practices in action and flavor, but with Mary substituted for Kuanyin.

Catholicism has retained much more of the ceremonial and ritualistic that came from the pagan world.

Nothing necessarily wrong with that, and the dynamics of history explains it.

The thing we need to all look out for is if pagan theological beliefs become intermingled with our faith or theological understandings.


86 posted on 10/04/2014 9:03:21 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: redleghunter
Not one reference to TaNaKh in the first link. Certainly the Talmud is referenced but like other religions which do not ground their tradition in scriptures errors abound.

The charge was the practice was Pagan, but the practice exists in Judaism. I am thus confused as to how it is pagan. One of the longest running disputes in Judaism is the question of whether Jews should consider Christianity Paganized Judaism or Judaified paganism.

The Sadducees rooted all their beliefs in what they considered Scripture and they were wrong. Protestants frequently sound like Christianized Sadducees.
87 posted on 10/04/2014 9:57:12 AM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: daniel1212
“It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus - around 170 B.C., a surprisingly innovative period - prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews.” — Jacques Le Goff, The Birth of Purgatory, p. 45, trans. Arthur Goldhammer (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press.

So Purgatory was a belief present in Judaism by around 70 BC and shows up in the Catholic Church and you want to make the claim it entered the Church after the time of the Apostles? By the way, it shows up in the only branch of Judaism that survived the destruction of the temple.
88 posted on 10/04/2014 10:01:39 AM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ifinnegan; boatbums
Here is straight up hand on the Bible absolute unbridled truth. Catholics do not believe that Mary is God, or even god, we do not believe that she is divine in any way, manner, shape or form.

So here is a question for you: Do Catholics believe that Mary is God (or god), do we worship her as divine?

You have been told the truth now les see if you are capable of understanding it and responding correctly.

89 posted on 10/04/2014 10:29:18 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: ifinnegan
If valid it would cover praying for deceased people, but not to them.

Why? Catholics don't pray to ask passed souls in the belief that those souls have special powers to answer prayers, but rather for the same reason they confer with souls still present in the body, when asking for them to pray for them. Why? Because some passed souls, such as a persecuted Saint or your mother, might understand your situation better than the person next to you at Mass. I think some Catholics take this to extreme and even past extreme. If and when they pray to a passed soul in the same way they pray to God, then they are in error.

90 posted on 10/04/2014 10:52:38 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

** I think some Catholics take this to extreme and even past extreme. If and when they pray to a passed soul in the same way they pray to God, then they are in error. **

Incorrect.


91 posted on 10/04/2014 10:55:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NYer; Salvation

Off topic: I started RCIA recently and I’d like to get a Catholic Bible app. Any suggestions? By the way, it feels good to be coming home.


92 posted on 10/04/2014 11:06:20 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: CynicalBear
We are not to contact the departed or attempt to communicate with them. If you think otherwise show where the apostles taught it.

Exactly which departed Christians would they have been communicating with? And given that they were still receiving devine guidance, perhaps redundant.

I take the point however, and in fact, do not seek the prayers of passed souls myself. But then I don't ask for prayers at all as a general rule. Bad on me.

Conjurring up the dead should not be attempted; however, speaking in the hope that they hear you is not the same thing. The differentiation is something that Catholics should probably spend more time discussing.

93 posted on 10/04/2014 11:09:15 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
>>Exactly which departed Christians would they have been communicating with? <<

Whether or not I believe that souls of those who have departed this life are living or not has nothing to do with the ability or effacacy of communicating with them. Communicating with departed souls is strictly prohibited in scripture.

94 posted on 10/04/2014 11:22:33 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga

I never said Catholics think Mary is God.


95 posted on 10/04/2014 11:33:44 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: SampleMan

I appreciate your comments. They are well stated and argued.

I think the issue is whether or not it is within Christian theological understanding that the living can communicate with the dead and vice versa.


96 posted on 10/04/2014 11:37:15 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan; boatbums
I never said Catholics think Mary is God.

I never said you did, but you have been on this site long enough to see other non/anti-Catholics say that.

I have never seen you engage in fraternal correction either.

So I stated an absolute truth to you: Catholics do not believe that Mary is divine in any way, shape, or form nor do we worship her as divine. I then asked you a simple question that can be answered with either a yes or a no.

So do Catholics think that Mary is divine and do we worship her as a divine being.

Simple yes or no.

97 posted on 10/04/2014 11:48:13 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: D Rider

“Therefore, as you rightly state, they are not inspired scripture.”

I never said they were not inspired. I believe them to be inspired.


98 posted on 10/04/2014 1:31:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: GeronL
Christ gave us popes and bishops as pastors.

the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood (Acts 20:28)

Read the Holy Scripture every once in a while and you, too, will become Catholic and know God.

99 posted on 10/04/2014 1:32:12 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: HarleyD
the Council of Trent ADDED those books

No it didn't; the Council of Carthage already lists them, early 5c.

100 posted on 10/04/2014 1:34:23 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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