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Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.
But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:
"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.
As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...
Plus a few other things.
Right??
You now have my permission to post all of your TRADITION references.
But you had to be REALLY quick to see it!
That’s a lot of verses containing the word, “Scripture.”
Yet not one of them contains the word, “alone.” I’ve read the Bible through twice and have never been able to find it either.
So you could add “Show Tunes” if you’d like? By your justification you can add anything you want!
So you read through twice? Good for you!
>>>That then, makes the second person of the Trinity a created being. That says that the second person of the Trinity is not eternal and that Mary gave him is divine nature.<<<
Coming back here I’d like to fix this misunderstanding.
Once again, You are dead wrong to say that Mary as Mother of God entails that Mary must have pre-existed with Christ.
Firstly, it is inconceivable that Mary could have pre-existed before humanity, or that the second person of the trinity assumed the form of a man before creation. Neither of these realities are possible. Mary could no more be pre-existent before creation than creation itself. She is the Mother of God Nonetheless.
The very point is that Christ assumed humanity once he came into the world. This led to the salvation of all men. It is not something that can be said, that at any time after he has assumed humanity he is not fully God and fully Man.
To dispute this because Mary is only a creature and not God is inconceivable. At which point in his life on earth was he not fully God and Fully Man in one divine person?
Would it not be easier to say that He was not God during his humiliation on the Cross? No. At No time has Jesus ever not been God. The life of Christ after his birth into the world is not as a separated being but a unified one. A Hypostasis. Since he is never not also God after assuming his fleshly humanity. God breathed with the lungs of a Man. God felt the Joy a human person feels, and experienced human hunger and suffering. And because He was God his propitiation for sin on the cross can extend to everyone who accepts Him. Therefore, because Mary gave birth to the humanity of Christ she gave birth to God who is united to His divinity.
At No point in his entering into creation can he be said to not be God. Jesus was, is, and always will be God.
Because it's mainly a meditation on the Passion of Christ. Most Catholics find that worthwhile.
Take a minute and learn about it, then Catholics might take your posts more seriously.
Does IT claim that is enough?
No response? Hmmmm.....
>>>The flesh part: yes.
The Spirit part: no.<<<
For clarity, the flesh part is not separated from his divinity. He is not two persons but one, otherwise your belief that God acted to save humanity on the Cross is in vain. Since only a man died on it.
At no point has Jesus ever ceased to be God.
I don't know how Luther justified his doctrine of "the Bible ALONE as the sole rule of faith," when the phrase or concept isn't in the Bible.
But it didn't bother Luther, and most Protestants don't seem to be troubled by it either.
I see it as a contradiction.
Deflection? Really?
So what else would you add? Some nations would love to add allegience to the State to required worship.
You can understand the dangers, right?
The Jewels wanna know
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>>>>No matter how hard you try, it’s not there...And thank God it’s not there...The last thing we need is the mother of God who is the wife of God and who is the wife of her son who is the mother of God’s son who is also the daughter of God and the daughter of her son Jesus...That’s quite a mess you got going on there...Way, way too much paganism there...Do far better to just stick with scripture...In fact, quite the contrary...>>>
It is not good to deny the divinity of Jesus for the sake of ones hatred to the family of Christ.
Your Protestant positions are those of children mocking Elisha for his bald head. If you say Jesus is not God, you do not believe in Him. If you think that Jesus being born into this world is an embarrassment of some kind, it is far more an embarrassment that God died for your sins.
>>>A person who says these things is going way out on a limb to suggest someone is denying Jesus and worse is having hatred for God’s family!<<<
To Say that at some point in time that Jesus is not God when he was born into this world, is to deny the fullness of his divinity and humanity as one person.
To do so because one believes that Mary is not the “Mother of God” when those words profess that God was born into his creation... To think this is some kind of problem is incomprehensible next to the reality of the crucifixion.
You claim to be anointed ones, but if Jesus is not fully God and fully man in your understanding, you do not believe in Him. Your faith is in vain, and your anointing a sham.
“To Say that at some point in time that Jesus is not God when he was born into this world, is to deny the fullness of his divinity and humanity as one person.
To do so because one believes that Mary is not the “Mother of God” when those words profess that God was born into his creation... To think this is some kind of problem is incomprehensible next to the reality of the crucifixion.
You claim to be anointed ones, but if Jesus is not fully God and fully man in your understanding, you do not believe in Him. Your faith is in vain, and your anointing a sham.”
Your doctrine is blinding you from the truth of Scripture and your reasoning is flawed to the point of becoming heretical. Born again believers in the Messiah believe He was fully God and fully Man. Jesus is the one who refers to His followers as anointed, not we ourselves. If you have a problem with those terms you want to take that up with the Author!
**You claim to be anointed ones, but if Jesus is not fully God and fully man in your understanding, you do not believe in Him. Your faith is in vain, and your anointing a sham.”**
Mind reading again?
>>>Your doctrine is blinding you from the truth of Scripture and your reasoning is flawed to the point of becoming heretical. Born again believers in the Messiah believe He was fully God and fully Man. Jesus is the one who refers to His followers as anointed, not we ourselves. If you have a problem with those terms you want to take that up with the Author!<<<
I believe that the virgin conceived and bore a Son and that His name was Immanuel Matt 1:23
It is entirely Scriptural, the Church has lasted for nearly 2000 years and understood, in its time, far more about scripture than you realize.
We’ll Salvation that was me. Perhaps it was too far, however, if the essential elements of belief are missing, how can one say they believe in the Son of Man?
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