Posted on 08/07/2014 5:07:24 AM PDT by NYer
The head of the Oklahoma City satanic church that is planning a black mass in a public venue next month says the Eucharistic Host he plans to use in the ritual was mailed to him by a friend.
" I'm sick of hearing about this 'Consecrated Host,'" Adam Daniels, of the organization, the Dakhma of Angra Mainyu, wrote in an emailed response to questions from Aleteia. "As my understudy has told other Catholic Inquisitors, the Eucharist was mailed to us by [a] friend. That is all I'm going to say about how it was attained [sic]. My question is, why is a piece of bread that some man said some words over so sacred?"
Daniels, who uses the title Dasturthe term for Zoroastrian high priestsaid in a subsequent email today that "As far as I know, the host mailed to me is consecrated."
He confirmed that the black mass that is generating controversy in Oklahoma City and beyond, will go forward as planned on Sept. 21.
"The abridged Black Mass (from the Satanic Rituals by [Anton] LaVey) will take place," he said. "Then The Choke [a local band] will perform. After that, Matthew Garman will have a Satanic (Ahrimanic) Exorcism done [which purports to remove the Holy Spirit from him]. Kelsey [Daniels] and I will be presiding over this rite. Before each ritual I will lecture on the purpose and point of each ritual as it pertains to the Ahrimanic [Satanic] Faith."
He added: "I'm renting a small space one time a year to educate the public about my religion. This is protected by my First Amendment Right as a citizen of the United States, not a brainwashed sheep of the Catholic Empire."
The event is to take place in a 92-seat theatre in the civic center. Daniels said no city official has asked him to reconsider the event, in light of protests by local Catholics, led by Archbishop Paul S. Coakley of Oklahoma City. "Their [sic] are some who are quite tickled at all of this."
Archbishop Coakley
I invite all Catholics to pray daily for divine protection through the intercession of this heavenly patron who once defeated Lucifer in his rebellion against the Almighty and who stands ready to assist us in this hour of need, he wrote.
Archbishop Coakley also asked each parish to conduct a Eucharistic Holy Hour with Benediction at least once between the Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Aug 15, and Sept. 21, the date of the planned black mass. On that day, he plans to conduct a holy hour and outdoor Eucharistic procession and benediction at St. Francis of Assisi Church in Oklahoma City at 3pm, four hours prior to the performance.
Among parishes participating is Christ the King in Oklahoma City. A spokeswoman, Kelly Fanning, described the mood in the archdiocese: "As you might expect, the mood among the Catholics with whom Ive had direct communication about the matter is mixed, ranging from those who worry that we may be 'over-reacting' and inadvertently giving the black mass more attention than it might otherwise receive to those who feel strongly that this challenge to decency and all that is good and right must not stand without every effort of community advocacy, political action and, most importantly and perhaps most effectively, prayer."
The archbishop also asked Catholics in the archdiocese to contact Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett to express "outrage over this offensive and blasphemous sacrilege and this misuse of a tax-supported public space."
The mayors office has heard from many people since the archbishop first sent out a press release in early July, said a city spokeswoman. There has been an increase in these contacts since the archbishops new letter to Catholics was published Monday, she said.
"We can say that weve had calls from several states, and know that several from Oklahoma have spoken up," said the spokeswoman, Jennifer Lindsey-McClintock. "Overall the feedback has been that of anger and disappointment."
Archbishop Coakley first spoke out against the plans for the black mass in early July, when it was learned that the Dakhma of Angra Mainyu planned to stage the ritual. That news followed a similar controversy in the spring, when a New York Satanic group tried to present the rite at Harvard University. A large outpouring of Catholic prayer and protest led to the cancellation of that event.
Archbishop Coakley's letter followed a similar appeal from Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa, Okla., who asked Catholics in his diocese over the weekend to fast and pray from Aug. 6-15 so that the black mass may be cancelled.
Jim Brown, general manager of the Civic Center, has said that as a public facility, the center could not turn down a group that wanted to rent space there, as long as the group was law-abiding. Archbishop Coakley wasn't buying that argument.
It is hard to imagine the Civic Center turning a blind eye and allowing a group to use its facilities to burn a copy of the Koran, or to conduct an overtly anti-Semitic performance, he said in an earlier statement.
I am curious about one aspect of the wafers.
I did not grow up around Catholics nor do I really know any.
I understand the Satanists’ intent: They want to reject God publicly and insult and anger as many Catholics as possible in the process.
They are being deliberately disrespectful and blasphemous. That is their whole point.
But was completely in the dark about the security of the wafers.
I thought they were only sacred when given to the faithful by a priest during Communion.
I didn’t know they needed to be guarded.
I thought in any other case they were just cracker-like disks.
I mean, one can purchase them on Amazon.
Does that mean it would be sacrilege for me to have one?
Not that I have any interest in doing so.
Sorry for my ignorance on this.
I have no desire to insult anyone or be disrespectful.
Agreed - Also, recall that in the Tridentine Mass, the Precious Blood of Christ was handled by the priest only.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
It’s a good question. And your initial point is correct - prior to God changing the wafers, they are just wafers. The security is for the post-changed Hosts; because they are distributed to (what we hope are) the faithful. At this point, someone can pose as a Catholic and walk off with the Body of Christ and carry on with whatever evil intent they have planned. That’s what security is trying to prevent.
We stand to the side during Communion to watch and ensure each person consumes the host before returning to their seat. Have never had a problem but there are enough stories about Satanists trying to get their hands on one that you must remain on guard.
I think there are benefits if receiving on the tongue was the norm, but I doubt it would help to stop this. I mean, if you are intent on doing this and to be able to keep doing it without being caught, why try to be Gaylord Perry at the head of a line in front of everyone? Just go back to your pew and take the Host out of your mouth there, no matter how it got there. Why would satanists care if it was somewhat physically degraded?
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How do you tell if it was consumed or not?
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The priest or Eucharistic Ministers generally consume the rest of the hosts, after distribution as well as finish off the rest of the blood as it must be consumed or poured directly into the ground. There is a special "sink" for that. I am Catholic and we believe that it really is the body and blood of Christ so it must be treated that way.
My parish has the ushers count heads so that not to have many leftover. This eliminates there being hosts left over in the Tabernacle, but tabernacles are bolted down and locked at all times.
The thing of it is, and it's fascinating really, is that Satanists must believe as we do. That it really is the body and blood of Christ, otherwise what would be the point of desecrating bread and wine? (Mostly rhetorical question as I know no one really knows what goes on in their heads).
You ever work with a professional illusionist on your security procedures? If you don’t, you might want to consider doing so.
I’m pretty sure that, with my basic and decidely amateur “pull a coin from behind someone’s ear” skills I could obtain a consecrated host wherever and whenever I wanted to. At least based on what Ive observed going to RC Mass with my RC wife ..
To be brutally honest here, and maybe this is another sign of how far we’ve fallen as a society, if the RC Church wants me to be upset, let alone outraged, let alone spurred into some sort of action on it they really need to start moving in my direction on issues I care about.
Like immigration.
Until they do that, my GAS meter is reading darn close to zero on stuff like this.
So Satanists say they have a consecrated host “mailed to them by a friend”. And we’re 100% sure it’s consecrated.
Setting aside the spiritual/religious side of the argument, it appears that this falls into the category of protest, like burning the flag or koran. Is the “black mass” truly a form of worship, or just a provocative move to incite violence? Will they be breaking any laws or city ordinances? If neither, let him put on his charade and ignore it.
The last thing that needs to be done is give him the free publicity he craves. There are certainly more productive things a Believer could be doing than wringing their hands about a religious ceremony that without all the free publicity, would probably have gone largely unnoticed.
I think the Bishop is asking for prayer coverage by Catholics not protests. “Archbishop Coakley is calling on Catholics to storm heaven with prayers so that the black mass will be cancelled”.
I don't follow "a church". I follow God.
And the fact that this nation USED TO BE a "Christian" nation, but now Satanists feel free to mock God openly here, just shows how we as a nation, but also WE as Christians, have slid.
There are more people on this thread, squabbling over wafers and bread, than are concerned that Satan is going to be worshipped and exalted in a public square in this nation.
Satanists are about as stupid as stupid comes. Must have been publically educated.
Encircle the destination with people praying the Rosary. The Satanists will NOT be able to enter through that shield.
Can’t disagree with any of that. Having the right to do something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.
In each case the priest takes the dropped host and puts it aside for the moment. AFTER Mass the priest does something with it. There IS a ritual, purpose and method for dealing with these accidents.
There HAD to be, of course, since dropping things is what we humans do.
I don't know what he does with it. He may consume it. I knew the answer eons ago but have FORGOTTEN!
Also, when the name of JESUS is spoken, every knee will bend.
We ALL follow God if we believe in God.
Catholics don't "follow a church" either. You don't seem to know a whole lot about Catholicism. If you did you wouldn't have said what you did.
Steve Ray USED to be a Baptist minister who believed that all us Catholics were going to hell. He sincerely wanted us Catholics NOT to go to hell. He was a good man.
SO, to try to change us Catholics and put us on the right path, he and his wife started reading about the Catholic Church. They knew that to change people they had to learn about them first. So, they read everything they could about the Catholic Church for an entire year!
One night both he and his wife (Janet) ended up weeping. Steve Ray said, and not in the most joyous voice: "We are Catholics!"
Since then he, his wife and his children have been practicing Catholics.
I met him and his wife on a tour (with a Presbyterian friend of mine, from Texas) to the Holy Land, in 2011, on a regular tour they do called: In the Footsteps of God. It was a fabulous tour.
Steve, being a former Baptist minister, was able to quote the Bible, chapter and verse, all through the trip, which made it extra nice for all of us.
He wrote his story called: CROSSING THE TIBER. It's a most interesting read for all Christians of whatever denomination.
Speaking of denominations, Wikipedia quotes some 41,000 different Protestant denominations. The Catholic Church lists only 30,000+ different Protestant denominations.
Which one of those denominations are you? I am not prying, just curious.
Side notes:
1. My wonderful Texas friend's oldest converted to Catholicism about 15 years ago. He (the convert) and I spoke at some length about that.
2. My Texas friend grew up a Baptist but where they moved to finally had no Baptist Church, so they changed to Presbyterianism.
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