Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

[michaelwlf3]

I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.

Are these people really Christians?

[CynicalBear]

>>will be waling and gnashing teeth over the leis they have been told and continue to tell.<<

Keep telling us of your extensive education.

[metmom]

That link was to the Douay-Rheims Bible, the official Bible of the Catholic church. It’s YOUR church’s authorized version of the Bible.

http://biblehub.com/drb/john/3.htm

In verses 3, 5, and 7, they translate the sayings of Jesus using the term *born again*.

It’s right there at the link for you to look it up.

So then the question is, “Whose translation of John 3 do people accept? The Catholic church’s or verga’s?

Or is it *every man his own little pope* and *YOPIOS* in deciding whether the Catholic version of the Bible is correct or not?

[metmom]

What is nonsense is MM, WVK, and you, all arguing with two people that have studies Greek at the graduate level.

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[metmom]

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[metmom]

Yeap, but didja gradiate? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The question of the ages......

[CynicalBear]

So he disagrees with the Catholic Churches own version!!!! For a Catholic to disagree with the Catholic Church ain’t good I’ve heard. Does that make him his own pope?

[GeronL]

bump

[dsc]

“I trust what he says a whole lot more than some on this site.”

Too bad. May both of you escape the fires of Hell.

[MamaB]

Poor thing. Bless your little heart. I accepted Jesus as a child. I believe the Bible 100%. Do you?

[mdmathis6]

Heh...I think I see what you are getting at there!

[af_vet_1981]

Actually, they passed a differing resolution in 1976, not waiting until 2003.

They began to change their doctrine in 1976 but did not rescind it fully until 2003. The 1976 resolution resolved to try to change attitudes and conditions that led people to use abortion as a form of birth control but also still permitted the decision about abortion to be between a woman and her doctor. "Be it further RESOLVED, that we also affirm our conviction about the limited role of government in dealing with matters relating to abortion, and support the right of expectant mothers to the full range of medical services and personal counseling for the preservation of life and health."

“You had written The SBC did not support abortion and that is simply not true.” What I wrote, and what you choose to distort, is this: “The SBC did not support abortion. They were caught by surprise by Roe v Wade, and took a few years to get 45,000 congregations to build a consensus on how to respond.”

The only distortion I see is a denial that the SBC supported abortion. In 1973, while the 1971 resolution supporting abortion was in force, WA Criswell (who AFAIK was not in the moderate faction/sect of the SBC), the twice elected President of the SBC (1968) Affirmed the Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade decision permitting abortion. Religious News Service quoted Criswell as saying, "I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had life separate from the mother that it became an individual person, and it always has, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed." Criswell later changed his position on abortion, becoming a staunch opponent of the procedure.

Anyone who knows anything about the SBC knows that the “SBC leadership” has limited authority, and that resolutions are typically voted on by 1-2,000 delegates, and thus often misrepresent the views of the 45,000 member churches.

Yes, I understand it took many years for them to figure out what they should believe and to rescind their resolutions supporting abortion.

The KJV is not hideous, but it is also not a faithful translation.

Independent Fundamental Baptists do not agree with that position at all. One group of Baptists which took years to figure out that abortion was murder and discounts the KJV as an unfaithful translation. Another group of Baptists knew abortion was murder from the start and clings to their guns, religion, and the KJV.

[metmom]

***snicker***

Seems to me I recall the grammar and spelling police out on a thread recently....

[WVKayaker]

What is nonsense is MM, WVK, and you, all arguing with two people that have studies Greek at the graduate level.

But, it appears to be a problem of proper ENGLISH application! Using the wrong tense of the word "study" shows the problem in a nutshell!

As for studying Greek, I have done so, but also rely on good sources to provide further content. One of the best is Strong's Concordance which gives literal and extant meanings to the Greek wording of the NT, as well as a good summation of the Hebrew of the OT.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Online. ...The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is the most complete, easy-to-use, and understandable concordance for studying the original languages of the Bible. Combining the text of the King James Bible with the power of the Greek and Hebrew Lexicons, any student or pastor can gain a clear understanding of the Word to enrich their study. ...

[michaelwlf3]

“And gash darn it, if it was good enough for Paul and Jesus, it’s good enough for me.”

:-)

[Elsie]

The assumption she hears is fallacious

Or wishful thinking.

It makes NO sense to me to go through a middleman to get to Jesus.

(Or a middlewoman; as the case may be...)

[Elsie]

When God does it it’s righteous, when we do it we’re just... self-righteous.

Oh?

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1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.

[Kandy Atz]

"Binding and loosing" is a special gift, given only to Peter and the Apostles.

Since God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), it would seem this is a problematic statement. There is NOT a pecking order in the Body of Christ. Jesus is the HEAD and only HEAD, Believers are the body. There is no middle management. There is neither Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female, but all are one Body in Christ. (Galatians 3:28) All BELIEVERS have been blessed with ALL spiritual blessings in Heavenly places. (Ephesians 1:3)

And since I know many folks in Christ through the years who have successfully bound and loosed things per Scripture and by faith, I will confidently say this gift belongs to ALL BELIEVERS.

[Elsie]

Seriously, there are a handful, well maybe a double handful of posters on the RF who make Christianity look like a complete waste of time and effort. Christ is not glorified, He’s dragged through the mud by people trying to one up each other on how vile and nasty they can be while calling themselves Christlike.

Just because far too many Catholics/Protestants act like selfish, brain-dead, children isn’t a reason to imitate them.

This is true; and I'll bet that MY list of them differs from yours.

[Elsie]

You got a stupid rerun of a graphic for a response.

You'd rather have a thousand words from CerealBoy?

[editor-surveyor]

>> “You may want to study as to what happened to Moses and Aaron when they took credit for the water instead of giving credit to God.” <<

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More of your lack of understanding of the plain word.

Moses was ordered to “declare” the Rock (Yeshua), but instead he struck a rock. That was what cost him entry to the land. Failure to declare the Rock will cost most of the inhabitants of the Earth entry into the kingdom of Yehova. Moses actions and his punishment are alegorical to the condition of mankind as a whole.