Posted on 07/26/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by michaelwlf3
I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.
Are these people really Christians?
Unless its the church of the Laodiceans!
It is the prots that will be waling and gnashing teeth over the leis they have been told and continue to tell.
What was your degree in again?
It in no way erased the truth that the SBC did support abortion. You had written The SBC did not support abortion and that is simply not true.
Seems to me it is pretty obvious where the SBC stands, and I’m pretty sure you knew all this already...which leads me to wonder what your agenda is.
I used past tense; you used past tense; now you want to use present tense. The SBC supported abortion and slowly changed its mind and pulled back from it with a succession of resolutions, fully rescinding their 1971 and 1974 resolutions in 2003.
I brought this up because I thought your characterization of Baptists not using the KJV was skewed toward modern Baptists. The Independent Fundamental Baptists have clung to the KJV, as well as that all abortion is murder. They did not embrace the modern translations or liberal ideas about the sanctity of life.
One is a correct translation, the other isn't.
Get back to me after you actually read and understood it.
All of those who have been saved are part of His kingdom.
>>As Paul explained, we must be changed, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, our corrupt bodies must become incorruptible bodies. That is the “born again” to which Yeshua referred in his conversation with Nicodemus<<
Once again, a supposition that cannot be substantiated by scripture.
Thank you.
ROFL!! And it would be the translation by daniel1212.
What is nonsense is MM, WVK, and you, all arguing with two people that have studies Greek at the graduate level. One a Protestant and the other a Catholic telling you that you all are wrong.
Wake up and smell the coffee, "Bob's house O' god" lied to you.
feel free to have the last word
Read it, understood what you were trying to say. Rejected your errors and don’t wish to discuss it any further with you.
And gash darn it, if it was good enough for Paul and Jesus, it's good enough for me.
Yeap, but didja gradiate? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EVERYONE's interpretation of Scripture is their own personal interpretation. Whether it agrees with someone else's is irrelevant.
By adopting someone else's as yours, you are deciding by yourself, that theirs is correct, thus you are merely throwing in your lot with a whole bunch of other people.
Doing that does not mean that it's not your own personal interpretation. You still, as an individual, have made the determination that they are correct, thus, having your own personal interpretation.
NO ONE is immune from the charge.
“I used past tense; you used past tense; now you want to use present tense. The SBC supported abortion and slowly changed its mind and pulled back from it with a succession of resolutions, fully rescinding their 1971 and 1974 resolutions in 2003.”
Actually, they passed a differing resolution in 1976, not waiting until 2003. It occurred at the same time the SBC faced a split between conservatives and ‘moderates’...and the moderates lost, big time. By 1979, they had lost essentially all of their influence in the SBC, and it has been kept out for the last 35 years.
“You had written The SBC did not support abortion and that is simply not true.”
What I wrote, and what you choose to distort, is this:
“The SBC did not support abortion. They were caught by surprise by Roe v Wade, and took a few years to get 45,000 congregations to build a consensus on how to respond.”
Anyone who knows anything about the SBC knows that the “SBC leadership” has limited authority, and that resolutions are typically voted on by 1-2,000 delegates, and thus often misrepresent the views of the 45,000 member churches.
“I brought this up because I thought your characterization of Baptists not using the KJV was skewed toward modern Baptists. The Independent Fundamental Baptists have clung to the KJV...”
Really? Do y’all have Bishops? Do you all have a hierarchical church? Do you have Priests?
The KJV is not hideous, but it is also not a faithful translation. Read the instructions King James gave to the translating committee, and how he forbade them from using congregation or elder:
“3. The Old Ecclesiastical Words to be kept, viz. the Word Church not to be translated Congregation &c.
4. When a Word hath divers Significations, that to be kept which hath been most commonly used by the most of the Ancient Fathers, being agreeable to the Propriety of the Place, and the Analogy of the Faith.”
When you allow a King to determine your translation, you are not being faithful to the text.
If bishops were put out of power, “I know what would become of my supremacy,” James objected. ”No bishop, no King. When I mean to live under a presbytery I will go to Scotland again.“
So very true and well stated! The only finger pointing that’s going to work will be for those who point to Jesus as their savior. Those who point to the “someone” or “some entity” which they blame for erroneous beliefs will be told “I never knew you”.
That would be Catholicism in a nutshell.
I daresay that there is not a person on the planet with whom I agree on everything doctrinally, and I don't condemn them for it.
However, the Catholic church here, does that very thing, condemn those who dare to disagree with it.
DECREE CONCERNING THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST (anathemas)
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct13.html
ON THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENTS OF PENANCE AND EXTREME UNCTION (anathemas)
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct14.html
DOCTRINE ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS. (anathemas)
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct22.html
ON THE SACRAMENT OF MATRIMONY.(anathemas)
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct24.html
Here are some examples, official statements made by the Catholic church itself, not simply the opinion of individual Catholics.
Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Canon 19 . If anyone says that nothing besides faith is commanded in the Gospel, that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor forbidden, but free; or that the ten commandments in no way pertain to Christians, let him be anathema.
Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.
Canon 27. If anyone says that there is no mortal sin except that of unbelief, or that grace once received is not lost through any other sin however grievous and enormous except by that of unbelief, let him be anathema.
Now, about the finger pointing condemning non-Catholics.......
A look at how you address those who disagree with you reveals an attitude on your part that needs some adjustment.
Perhaps it gets back to the old concept of that which we object to most in others is what our own faults are.
You complain of judgmental and hateful attitudes in a post that does not exude compassion and understanding.
1 Corinthians 1:19 for it hath been written, 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will bring to nought;'
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