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500 Years of Chaos: Protestantism’s Anniversary
Catholic Analysis ^ | 7 June 2014 | Philipp Rogall

Posted on 06/08/2014 1:59:17 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

In 2017, we will witness the 500th anniversary of one of the most important, influential and regrettable events in Church history: the Protestant Reformation, or the Protestant Rebellion, as some prefer to call it. Indeed, the latter term would suit me better, too. But, being German, I am used to the former expression and should I ever refer to said event as die protestantische Rebellion, people would think me some sort of radical. On that thought, perhaps it is worth noting that rebels are often quite radical themselves, which is one thing we can definitely say of the so-called "Reformers". To mark this anniversary, the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) has planned a number of events, beginning with a "Lutheran Decade" from 2008 to 2017. Each year has it’s own theme in the form of "The Reformation and…", i.e. Education, Freedom, Music, Tolerance, Politics and others.

The decade will culminate in the celebratory year of 2017, to which the President of the Evangelical "Church" in Germany (EKD), Nikolaus Schneider, has even invited Pope Francis. But, really, how likely is it His Holiness will hop on a plane and join in the celebration of someone his predecessor excommunicated? One might ask, is there any room for Catholics to take part in some sort of event? This is the question that is circulating in the mother country of the Reformation: Germany. The Most Reverend Gerhard Feige, Bishop of Magdeburg, is the Bishops' Conference's representative for ecumenical affairs. He has dedicated a lot of thought and time to the question how Catholics should view this event.

It begins with the name: Do we call it an anniversary, something that could imply happiness, or a commemoration of an event that has wrought such great damage upon the Body of Christ, His holy Bride, the Catholic Church? The German bishops have chosen the latter term. There is still confusion on the whole thing, though: The EKD is not being very clear on what exactly they want to celebrate. One hears catchy words such as "diversity", "conscience", and the like stuck onto the Reformation in their talk, but never do we hear of heresy, schism or even the antisemitism of Luther and his ilk. Indeed, who in his right mind would celebrate the chaos and harm inflicted on the Church by the so-called "Reformers"? Not even the Protestants organizing the event dare to say thus. Yet, one gets the impression that the whole event is not actually interested in critically evaluating the past, or their theology for that matter, but rather praising it as the dawn of an era of "tolerance" and "liberty".

Could this be any further from the truth? Professor Heinz Schilling of Berlin, a member of the advisory board for the anniversary, stated in an interview that Luther was "everything but tolerant" and criticized the EKD as "quite understandably not interested in any of the research’s findings". He went even further and said that the organizers made themselves appear "laughable among scholars" by claiming what they do. Margot Käßmann, who is the anniversary’s ambassador and a former Lutheran "bishop", once claimed that it was thanks to Luther that her sect had female "bishops". The professor criticizes this as yet another inaccuracy and something that Luther certainly did not envision. Is it any wonder, then, that the EKD has not come out clearly and said what the entire occasion is about for them, as the bishops have repeatedly bewailed, if even their own board members see through their catchy slogans?

What about us Catholics? Is there any way in which we can join our separated brethren in their commemoration? I argue: no. Some will disagree, but to me, the Reformation is intrinsically connected to fracture in the Body of Christ, heresy and the resulting total chaos. I could never join any such "commemoration", even if one doesn't call it an "anniversary" for the sake of appeasing Catholics. When have we ever "commemorated" the schism of 1054, or any heresy, for that matter? I believe we would do great harm to the effort of achieving Christian unity by taking part in any way. It obscures the borders between Catholicism and Protestantism, confuses people, and may even cause scandal.

The aforementioned Margot Käßmann suggested the following kind of participation of Catholics and Protestants: Each group could begin a pilgrimage on their own route, and reach one common destination. She would also like the program to achieve that all people learn "that 31 October is Reformation Day and not Halloween", to which Bishop Feige of Magdeburg replied "and the eve of All Saints". But the problem I see with Käßmann’s proposal is this: Although the idea might seem nice, it suggests that Protestantism and Catholicism are somehow equals. They most definitely are not. And certainly not according to Luther himself! Catholics know that their Church is the Church Christ the Lord founded on St. Peter, and Protestantism's very name already suggests otherwise. The Reformers made that point very clear. From a Catholic point of view, a heretical movement that splits the Church cannot be of equal worth as the One True Faith. Just think how we would have fought Arianism if such had been our position! This is not to say that Protestants aren't Christians, of course, but we must realize that Protestantism is not what our Lord willed us to have or believe: Catholicism is. Thus, two equal pilgrimages reaching one destination à la Käßmann would cause scandal and confusion. I assume she does not want it to symbolize the way we might some day find unity, but rather the common destination means Christ. But that is precisely the point: The Catholic Church is the ark of salvation, the Body and Bride of Christ, and She alone has "the words of eternal life" (John 6:68). She is Christ in this world apart from Whom "no one comes to the Father" (John 14:6). Protestantism has distorted those words of eternal life fundamentally, and thus cannot be on equal footing with Holy Mother Church. If Christ is "the Way, the Truth and the Life" apart from Whom there is no salvation, then so is the Catholic Church, for She is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23, Colossians 1:24).

Thus, let me emphasize again: Celebrating the Reformation, or even commemorating it with Protestants, will blur the sharp line between the One True Church and those communities that came from the Protestant Reformation. It will scandalize and, actually, almost certainly make Christian unity harder to achieve. For in pretending Protestantism is somehow equally valid or of the same dignity as Catholicism, we take away the very reason for Christian unity: to be united in the one Church that our Lord left us, founded on Peter in the person of the Roman Pontiff.

Therefore, I hope the German bishops decide not to participate – however unlikely that is. It remains to be seen whether the ecumenical progress in achieving unity hoped for will come about. Let us pray, that 2017 will bring to many people's attention the Truth of Catholicism and the scandal that the separation of Christians is, fostering in them the desire for unity with Christ in His Bride, which is Holy Church.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: anniversary; bible; catholic; catholicism; history; jesus; lutheranism; martinluther; protestantism
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To: boatbums
"...body of Christ has always existed and spans nations, peoples, languages and time - all become one IN Christ Jesus."

Amen! a thread through human history that will never be broken.

"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen".

441 posted on 06/10/2014 2:16:57 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: verga
Here is a copy of LX's post #185. I have left it intact and in it's entirety. The only modification I have made was to bold the part where LX feely admits to worshipping the Bible. Now a real Christian would have checked to verify before he falsely accused, or would admit his error and apologize. I will not be holding my breath since I have seen only one protestant on these forums ever admit an error.

I already said that I had mispoken (miswritten?) and that I meant to say that I follow the text as it is written. Please correct your mistake as I believe this is the second time you've said this.

I'm not holding my breath for you to admit this.

442 posted on 06/10/2014 2:56:11 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: roamer_1

However, isn’t the Sabbath day a Jewish commandment? I realize that Jesus, when he mentions love thy neighbor..., he says that that is what the rest of the commandments are hung on. It’s too late and I’m too tired to find Christ’s actual quote.


443 posted on 06/10/2014 2:59:46 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: CynicalBear

Yeah, right.
Dunning Kruger strikes again.


444 posted on 06/10/2014 3:05:28 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Syncro
Do you read the Bible or just disregard it's importance, and defer to Roman tradition as gospel and worship Mary instead of Jesus?

I'm a Protestant, Rome doesn't tell me what to do, the Word of God does.

I've read the entire Bible more than once. The Protestant Church I go to bases EVERY message on the Bible and we also work through the Bible chapter by chapter.

445 posted on 06/10/2014 3:11:40 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Salvation
Ignore Jesus’ mother?

I suggest that you not do that. What would Jesus say to you about how you treated his mother at the moment of your death?

You claim to speak from God? Does the Bible say to worship Mary?

446 posted on 06/10/2014 3:17:52 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Old Yeller
And in a tremendous number of Catholic's front yard flowerbeds.

Way to avoid answering the question, such courage.

447 posted on 06/10/2014 3:19:48 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: weston
Mary was the mother of the physical body of Jesus. His spirit was God and exists eternally. No beginning or end. Mary is not God’s mother. She was created by God for God as a vessel for His purpose.

Your mother was not your creator. She did not "begin" you -- God did that. Your mother bore you, carried you in her womb but the creation was done by God.

Jesus was not created by His mother, but she bore Him. She was the mother of Jesus Christ, our God, her creator.

448 posted on 06/10/2014 3:37:48 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: WilliamIII

you have similar corruption in smaller institutions or broken up institutions.


449 posted on 06/10/2014 3:38:43 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Religion Moderator

The you I used was clearly plural.


450 posted on 06/10/2014 4:20:08 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: af_vet_1981
... Nazis they elected effectively used Luther's treatise to dehumanize and commit ...

And Rome used WHAT? to justify the horrible things it did to HERETICS?

451 posted on 06/10/2014 4:23:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Again...no where in the NT is the title "mother of God" used. You're reading something into the text that's just not there.

Woman; why do you involve me? My time is not yet come.

452 posted on 06/10/2014 4:24:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

Yeah; we PROTS have noted that the MOTHER OF GOD did not ask Jesus to do anything.


453 posted on 06/10/2014 4:27:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
You could say it is like asking if someone is still beating their wife.

I'm glad that YOU have finally stopped!

454 posted on 06/10/2014 4:28:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
What would Jesus say to you about how you treated his mother at the moment of your death?

What?

In this instance Hillary would have the PERFECT answer!!

455 posted on 06/10/2014 4:29:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
What would Jesus say to you about how you treated his mother at the moment of your death?

Woman; here is your son.


456 posted on 06/10/2014 4:30:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
well since I am a Servant of Christ and so are All Catholics, I guess it was directed at us.

Oh?

Do you take ALL instances like this a a COMMAND to you?

Go; and sell everything you have...

457 posted on 06/10/2014 4:33:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
Here it is again (including the typo)Don’t protestants conside3r themselves servants of the most High Lord?

DAmmit!

TALK to me!


458 posted on 06/10/2014 4:36:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Nope...it's a bait question.

Dang!

You've learned the game!

459 posted on 06/10/2014 4:37:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
I have read this question three times and even asked one of the Protestants here at work, what this questions means and we are both stymied.

Ask TWO; you might get an answer then.

Heck; ask them ALL!

Then you'll get 30,000 different answers!

460 posted on 06/10/2014 4:38:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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