Posted on 03/19/2014 8:19:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION
PART ONE THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SECTION TWO THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
CHAPTER THREE I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
ARTICLE 9 "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"
Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church
963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503
Thank you! May God bless you, too, and all who write and read these many posts.
Well, my understanding is I’m an idiot and it’s not even Friday yet.
romans 3:23
don’t we already have the warnings in the Bible??
My response would be the same for others, I try to respect what others believe.
Which are you referring to?
1 Cor 15:22 says, “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.” Does this mean that every single person ever born will die? Well, the Bible tells us that Enoch and Elijah were taken up into heaven without dying. We know that all do not die because these two exceptions exist. From this, we can know that the Bible does not necessarily exclude exceptions when it uses the word “all”. You have to look at the context. Sometimes the "all" can be used to point out the exceptions... because that is what makes them exceptional.
Returning to Romans 3:23, we should ask further whether Paul intended to exclude exceptions when he used the word “all” or is he using it in a non-absolute way? To understand the context of Paul’s thought, we should look at Romans 3:10-12 wherein he quotes Psalm 14:2-3: “As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."
Does Paul really believe that there no righteous people? Of course not! The Bible tells us that Joseph was a just man (Mt 1:19), John the Baptist’s parents, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were declared righteous (Luke 1:19), and Psalm 14 goes on to speak of “the company of the righteous” in verse 5 while Psalm 15 references those who walk blamelessly and do what is right. So, if Paul is using the word “all” to mean “absolutely no exceptions”, then he is using the word very differently from the verses he quoted from Psalm 14 and from other passages of scripture.
Therefore, when Paul uses the word “all”, he is not automatically declaring that every single individual who ever lives will be guilty of committing personal sin. Rather, he is communicating with clarity the universality of sin and the idea that both Jews and Gentiles alike are sinners before God. His use does not exclude the possibility of exceptions as in other Scripture references.
Would you mind reformatting?
Because they insist on being the ones sacrificing Him, an act in which they deem themselves superior to Him and hence able to approach. At the same time, they are recipients of subsequent grace, and thus are not worthy to approach.
Conflict? Just declare there isn’t a conflict.
But...it’s not flesh, it’s not blood. Ever. It’s a wafer. It stays a wafer. Well, until digestion turns it into something else, but that’s not the point of “transubstantiation”.
In fact, it is not worship.
Others on the board know the history far better than I do, so I will just refer you to http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/nicaea2.htm.
A page that points out in a clear way the difference between worship (given to God) and honor (given to saints) can be found at ttp://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/04/do-catholics-worship-mary.html.
“SHE is the mother of Christ....This “logic” is a bit of a stretch.”
Christ is the Body of the Church. No stretch at all. Mary is the Mother of God. Many Protestants call that a stretch too - thereby denying Christ’s divinity even if unintentionally.
SHE is the mother of Christ....This “logic” is a bit of a stretch.”
Christ is the Body of the Church. No stretch at all. Mary is the Mother of God. Many Protestants call that a stretch too - thereby denying Christ’s divinity even if unintentionally.
Mother of Christ....right?
A woman born as a sinner as you and I....right?
In need of salvation as you and I....right?
The pagan Roman catholic church is the present day continuation of the cult of Semiramis that you mention.
They just change the name to “Mary” but the rest of the titles and practices remain the same.
>> “Hail Mary, full of grace” <<
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Which means “Hello, Mary, who are filled with grace.”
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You're saying the folks you reference were not sinners...never sinned....ever. They were not in need of offering a sacrifice for their sins.....ever??
Straw man. Go back and read what I wrote. If you truly don't understand it, let me know and I'll try to explain it better.
Does this preclude God from removing someone from earth if He choses? No.
Why then do you limit God in dealing with others of His people? Think about it.
We believe in the rapture and when that happens we will be snatched up, so none will die in that instance.
And yet, in Scripture, ALL die. You haven't yet dealt with this dichotomy. Besides, you lambast the Church for "making up" doctrine... care to remind the class when the doctrine of the rapture was invented?
The concept that there may be some who don't committ personal sins is a new one to me and not a concept I've found in the Bible outside of Christ.
And that is what matters in the Kingdom of God... you finding it in the Bible. You have missed some very important things because you immediately discount some truths simply because of who promulgated those truths. Open your eyes! See what the Church Christ gave us has taught us (1 Tim 3:15)! If you only read the Bible, you will know wisdom, yes... but you will have missed out on the last 2000 years of revelations by the Holy Spirit. He has not been silent all this time.
Great! Now we're getting somewhere. You see, we don't see "hail" as anything but the greeting you've noted. You're challenging the wrong part. What does it mean that she was "filled with grace"?
Got a citation or is this simply your opinion put forward as fact?
What did Jesus serve at the Last Supper?
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