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To: pgyanke
Therefore, when Paul uses the word “all”, he is not automatically declaring that every single individual who ever lives will be guilty of committing personal sin. You're saying the folks you reference were not sinners...never sinned....ever. They were not in need of offering a sacrifice for their sins.....ever?? Greek for righteousness/just man as referring to Joseph. Strong's Concordance dikaios: correct, righteous, by impl. innocent Original Word: δίκαιος, ία, ιον Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: dikaios Phonetic Spelling: (dik'-ah-yos) Short Definition: just, righteous, impartial Definition: just; especially, just in the eyes of God; righteous; the elect (a Jewish idea). HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 1342 díkaios (an adjective, derived from dikē, "right, judicial approval") – properly, "approved by God" (J. Thayer); righteous; "just in the eyes of God" (Souter). See 1343 ("dikaiosynē). ["Righteous" relates to conformity to God's standard (justice). For more on the root-idea see the cognate noun, 1343 /dikaiosýnē ("righteousness").] 1342 /díkaios ("righteous, just") describes what is in conformity to God's own being (His will, standard of rightness); hence "upright." Zechariah and Elizabeth, were declared righteous (Luke 1:19), Yet, Zechariah doubted God's ability to do what He said He would. Regarding Enoch and Elijah: we all are slated for death due to our sinful nature which we all have....except Christ. Does this preclude God from removing someone from earth if He choses? No. We believe in the rapture and when that happens we will be snatched up, so none will die in that instance. However if allowed to remain on this planet, we will die. To the comments on Romans 3:10-12 we are all born as sinners with a sinful nature. Your point of 1 Cor 15:22 makes that clear. Can someone mature and be trained up in the belief of Christ? Yes. Paul did not consider himself to have reached it yet but he continued to press on in the upward call of Christ. So yes, the use of the word "all" is inclusive in this context else. The concept that there may be some who don't committ personal sins is a new one to me and not a concept I've found in the Bible outside of Christ.
168 posted on 03/20/2014 10:28:15 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

Would you mind reformatting?


169 posted on 03/20/2014 10:57:27 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: ealgeone
Alright, I'll try to deal with this in the format given...

You're saying the folks you reference were not sinners...never sinned....ever. They were not in need of offering a sacrifice for their sins.....ever??

Straw man. Go back and read what I wrote. If you truly don't understand it, let me know and I'll try to explain it better.

Does this preclude God from removing someone from earth if He choses? No.

Why then do you limit God in dealing with others of His people? Think about it.

We believe in the rapture and when that happens we will be snatched up, so none will die in that instance.

And yet, in Scripture, ALL die. You haven't yet dealt with this dichotomy. Besides, you lambast the Church for "making up" doctrine... care to remind the class when the doctrine of the rapture was invented?

The concept that there may be some who don't committ personal sins is a new one to me and not a concept I've found in the Bible outside of Christ.

And that is what matters in the Kingdom of God... you finding it in the Bible. You have missed some very important things because you immediately discount some truths simply because of who promulgated those truths. Open your eyes! See what the Church Christ gave us has taught us (1 Tim 3:15)! If you only read the Bible, you will know wisdom, yes... but you will have missed out on the last 2000 years of revelations by the Holy Spirit. He has not been silent all this time.

177 posted on 03/20/2014 12:02:39 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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