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To: ealgeone
Misunderstanding the Letter to the Romans has been a cause of great division.

1 Cor 15:22 says, “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.” Does this mean that every single person ever born will die? Well, the Bible tells us that Enoch and Elijah were taken up into heaven without dying. We know that all do not die because these two exceptions exist. From this, we can know that the Bible does not necessarily exclude exceptions when it uses the word “all”. You have to look at the context. Sometimes the "all" can be used to point out the exceptions... because that is what makes them exceptional.

Returning to Romans 3:23, we should ask further whether Paul intended to exclude exceptions when he used the word “all” or is he using it in a non-absolute way? To understand the context of Paul’s thought, we should look at Romans 3:10-12 wherein he quotes Psalm 14:2-3: “As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

Does Paul really believe that there no righteous people? Of course not! The Bible tells us that Joseph was a just man (Mt 1:19), John the Baptist’s parents, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were declared righteous (Luke 1:19), and Psalm 14 goes on to speak of “the company of the righteous” in verse 5 while Psalm 15 references those who walk blamelessly and do what is right. So, if Paul is using the word “all” to mean “absolutely no exceptions”, then he is using the word very differently from the verses he quoted from Psalm 14 and from other passages of scripture.

Therefore, when Paul uses the word “all”, he is not automatically declaring that every single individual who ever lives will be guilty of committing personal sin. Rather, he is communicating with clarity the universality of sin and the idea that both Jews and Gentiles alike are sinners before God. His use does not exclude the possibility of exceptions as in other Scripture references.

167 posted on 03/20/2014 10:02:16 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
Therefore, when Paul uses the word “all”, he is not automatically declaring that every single individual who ever lives will be guilty of committing personal sin. You're saying the folks you reference were not sinners...never sinned....ever. They were not in need of offering a sacrifice for their sins.....ever?? Greek for righteousness/just man as referring to Joseph. Strong's Concordance dikaios: correct, righteous, by impl. innocent Original Word: δίκαιος, ία, ιον Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: dikaios Phonetic Spelling: (dik'-ah-yos) Short Definition: just, righteous, impartial Definition: just; especially, just in the eyes of God; righteous; the elect (a Jewish idea). HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 1342 díkaios (an adjective, derived from dikē, "right, judicial approval") – properly, "approved by God" (J. Thayer); righteous; "just in the eyes of God" (Souter). See 1343 ("dikaiosynē). ["Righteous" relates to conformity to God's standard (justice). For more on the root-idea see the cognate noun, 1343 /dikaiosýnē ("righteousness").] 1342 /díkaios ("righteous, just") describes what is in conformity to God's own being (His will, standard of rightness); hence "upright." Zechariah and Elizabeth, were declared righteous (Luke 1:19), Yet, Zechariah doubted God's ability to do what He said He would. Regarding Enoch and Elijah: we all are slated for death due to our sinful nature which we all have....except Christ. Does this preclude God from removing someone from earth if He choses? No. We believe in the rapture and when that happens we will be snatched up, so none will die in that instance. However if allowed to remain on this planet, we will die. To the comments on Romans 3:10-12 we are all born as sinners with a sinful nature. Your point of 1 Cor 15:22 makes that clear. Can someone mature and be trained up in the belief of Christ? Yes. Paul did not consider himself to have reached it yet but he continued to press on in the upward call of Christ. So yes, the use of the word "all" is inclusive in this context else. The concept that there may be some who don't committ personal sins is a new one to me and not a concept I've found in the Bible outside of Christ.
168 posted on 03/20/2014 10:28:15 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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