The Holy Trinity: Sound Doctrine or a Man-Made Tradition?

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[Elsie]

I have no trouble with the word Trinity to describe 3 personages.

Some believe 3 in one substance to me that makes no sense.

What makes NO sense is that only 2 of your religion's 3 PERSONAGES have physical bodies.

Got any MORMON evidence as to WHY that is true??

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Jesus Christ is God’s Son, spiritually and physically.

He calls Him Father, He prays to Him.
We are to pray to Him, God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, His Son.
God’s voice was heard at Christ’s baptism, coming from Heaven while He was in the water. The Holy Sirit also descended. Three seperate entities/Gods.

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[Elsie]

II Peter 2:3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.

Evil Hater!

How DARE you call us GREEDY!

--MormonDude(We are merely GOOD STEWARDS!!)

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[CynicalBear]

>>you still can't get past Martin Luther???....<<

Martin Luther was a Catholic my dear. The only things he spawned were the daughters of the Catholic Church. They cast off some of the errors of the Catholic Church but retained many. Luther is no hero in my book.

>>re-read the Bjble and try to find somewhere in it that it even mentions or hints at sola-scriptura...<<

Perhaps when you can show from scripture the teaching of the assumption of Mary.

[Elsie]

Here I thought you were sincere you only want to be like some others. Using LDS for sport

You give me SUCH good stuff to refer to!

THANKS!!!

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Ol' horndog JS sure liked to SPORT with the ladies!!

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

When you find “the Bible ALONE” as the sole rule of faith, let us know. Catholics had the Bible long before Luther and understood its importance. The ALONE part was Luther’s novel, unbiblical teaching.

But Catholics don’t ignore passages in Scripture that uphold the importance of Christ’s Church, or Apostolic Tradition.

“if he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus

“Hold fast to the traditions we passed down to you, either by word of mouth or by letter.” —St. Paul

“...which is the church of God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” —St. Paul

If you’re not familiar with these verses, you may want to ask yourself why

[Elsie]

BTW my religion did not add words the Lord has right speak any time the Lord choose he needs not the world permission.

Are you certifiably insane??

[Elsie]

Are you certifiably insane??

Let's compare KJV to JST:

King James Version John 1 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19. And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20. And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23. He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26. John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27. He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28. These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Joseph Smith Translation John 1 1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made. 4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men; 5 And the light shineth in the world, and the world perceiveth it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came into the world for a witness, to bear witness of the light, to bear record of the gospel through the Son, unto all, that through him men might believe. 8 He was not that light, but came to bear witness of that light, 9 Which was the true light, which lighteth every man who cometh into the world; 10 Even the Son of God. He who was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God; only to them who believe on his name. 13 He was born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the same word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John bear witness of him, and cried, saying, This is he of whom I spake; He who cometh after me, is preferred before me; for he was before me. 16 For in the beginning was the Word, even the Son, who is made flesh, and sent unto us by the will of the Father, And as many as believe on his name shall receive of his fulness. And of his fullness have all we received, even immortality and eternal life, through his grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but life and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 For the law was after a carnal commandment, to the administration of death; but the gospel was after the power of an endless life, through Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father. 19 And no man hath seen God at any time, except he hath borne record of the Son; for except it is through him no man can be saved. 20 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem, to ask him; Who art thou? 21 And he confessed, and denied not that he was Elias; but confessed, saying; I am not the Christ. 22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him, saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 23 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 24 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as saith the prophet Esaias. 25 And they who were sent were of the Pharisees. 26 And they asked him, and said unto him; Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not the Christ, nor Elias who was to restore all things, neither that prophet? 27 John answered them, saying; I baptize with water, but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 28 He it is of whom I bear record. He is that prophet, even Elias, who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose, or whose place I am not able to fill; for he shall baptize, not only with water, but with fire, and with the Holy Ghost. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and said; Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world! 30 And John bare record of him unto the people, saying, This is he of whom I said; After me cometh a man who is preferred before me; for he was before me, and I knew him, and that he should be made manifest to Israel; therefore am I come baptizing with water. 31 And John bare record, saying; When he was baptized of me, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 32 And I knew him; for he who sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me; Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he who baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 33 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 34 These things were done in Bethabara, beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

[Elsie]

Evidently GOD didn’t take as much care with THIS ‘translation’ as he did with the BoM.

Bear or bare...

...it mattereth not.

[who knows what evil?]

A good day to repent, America.

[ravenwolf]

Continuation of last post:

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Every thing true

I think it would be great if the Church teachers would just teach the Gospel as it came to us from scripture.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-— Perhaps when you can show from scripture the teaching of the assumption of Mary -—

Perhaps you can show us from Scripture where all Christian teachings must be found in Scripture?

Christ’s Church teaches the assumption of Mary. We believe the Church, because we take the words of Christ seriously: “If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”

Catholics also hold to “the (Apostolic) teachings passed down to you, either by word of mouth or by letter,” like the assumption of Mary.”

[CynicalBear]

>>If you ever had a witness by the Holy Ghost you would never had said what you said...<<

It’s because of the witness of the Holy Spirit I said what I said.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The prophets of Mormonism are false prophets.

>>Because you would have experience over whelming Joy that the world could never give.<<

Satan does masquerade as the angel of light.

>>But I guess some folks are just to distrusting to believe there are such things.<<

It all depends on where you put your trust.

[Elsie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dp0Bt2cbcc8

 

 

Elsie; trying to talk sense into restornu...

[ravenwolf]

Polygamy: How it all got Started

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I don,t know how many wives that old scoundrel had but a man is only allowed to own ten and here it is in plain words.

Matthew 25
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

and only five of them were worthy.

[Elsie]

Perhaps you can show us from Scripture where all Christian teachings must be found in Scripture?

Well; if you had NOT skipped #257...

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

[CynicalBear]

>>“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”<<

There is no such word as “church” in scripture. There were different assemblies of believers in different locations. Each assembly was autonomous and addressed individually both by the apostles and also addressed as individual assemblies in Revelation. The fact that Catholics have fallen for the deception of the RCC doesn’t change the truth of scripture.

>>Catholics also hold to “the (Apostolic) teachings passed down to you, either by word of mouth or by letter,” like the assumption of Mary.”<<

And yet you would deny others the same privilege. What a duplicitous joke.

[CynicalBear]

ROFL!!

[ravenwolf]

Or...Ravenwolf AND Restornu: what about the word “monotheist.”

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Don,t involve me in that, i don,t even know what the word is.

In these days of computers i can play the professor word games just like every one else but i would much rather just use the words that i read in the scripture of the translation of my choice.

millennium” or “millennial” “rapture”? how else are they going to preach these lies unless they put a few of these words in there?

[Tennessee Nana]

What Mormons say about Christians

…all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt…JS History 1:19.
“When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness” Journal of Discourses 5:73).

“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God” (Journal of Discourses 8:171).

We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense ...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century” (Journal of Discourses 6:167).

“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.” (Journal of Discourses 6:25).

“What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest of fools; they know neither God nor the things of God” (Journal of Discourses 13:225).

[Tennessee Nana]