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1 posted on 12/12/2013 12:59:05 PM PST by DouglasKC
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So...this is from “The Voice of Satan” internet radio?


2 posted on 12/12/2013 1:02:48 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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This unorthodox theology is a product of the late Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God.
10 posted on 12/12/2013 1:19:46 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: DouglasKC

***...After all—you’re a Christian....”I never knew you!”***

Nope.

That is not at all what the passage in question describes.

In the passage the person is appealing to his good works as the reason to let him in. His faith is not once used as a claim. Reliance on works is the road to damnation.

Matthew 7:22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


12 posted on 12/12/2013 1:23:02 PM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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To: DouglasKC
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OK ... so I watched the video.


This video and line of inquiry is disturbing.

I have been a born-again evangelical Christian for 50 some years.

I have seen "christian cults" emotionally and mentally abuse otherwise innocent Christians into terrible gynastics over whether or not they were genuinely "born again" ...

or why they were (supposedly) not healed because they lacked faith.

These examples are pretty disgusting to view first hand.



When I read the scripture (Matt 7:22) ...

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

and yet The Lord rejects them ...

I naturally ask ... "what about me ?"



Sure, there are phony-pastors and imposters that The Lord will reject pn judgement day,

but what about the rest of us ?



Articles on this subject (usually accompanied by an donation request or invitation to a Magazine Subscription) are ALWAYS suspect.



We all know that, like the Jewish Pharisees of Christ's time, there are "always" religious "leaders" who want the rest of us to follow them around like poodles ...

always learning ... always working ... always giving ...

but to what end ?



It's usually to enrich some pastor's ego, or grow his mega-church.



Enough said about that.



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20 posted on 12/12/2013 1:37:15 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: DouglasKC

I am a Calvinist, in this continuing argument.


24 posted on 12/12/2013 1:40:21 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: DouglasKC

I think using tobacco is the only thing that will keep you from being saved.


33 posted on 12/12/2013 1:47:08 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: DouglasKC

Luke 18
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Two men went up into the temple to pray ; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

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The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

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I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess .

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And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying , God be merciful to me a sinner.

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I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased ; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted .


43 posted on 12/12/2013 1:59:58 PM PST by ravenwolf
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Luke 17: 1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 So watch yourselves.

There's a special place reserved for those that attempt to confuse others regarding the simple truth of God's salvation.

61 posted on 12/12/2013 2:24:10 PM PST by Hazwaste (Democrats are like slinkies. Only good for pushing down stairs.)
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I seriously had a dream about dying and going to Heaven once. It was so realistic.

I got there and I was detained by a bunch of guys. Suddenly a young man who looked like a handsome Persian fellow wearing a leather jacket and beat up jeans and covered in dust and straw walked up to me. He was talking on a cellphone and he was being almost accosted by people who were all getting orders from him. I thought that he looked like the foreman on a building project or maybe some farm operation.

Then I realized he was Jesus Christ. He walks up to the guys who have me detained, says into the cellphone "hold on just a sec", looks at me up and down a few times and says "I never saw this man before in my life. Get him out of here." I was mortified. I fell down on the ground and grabbed his leg as he was trying to walk away. He started dragging me with one leg. He finally relented, smiled a little bit, and said "Ok, you can stay. But stay out of the way, we're all really busy here."

In general, in my dream Heaven was a terribly busy place. Everybody was working and hustling around. I remember a number of details, like a rather matronly looking woman in overalls who was yelling at Jesus about something. He shook his head and just said something like "okay, okay, get on it." Everybody was in a sort of awe of that lady. She was working on some large and important project.

I then got a tour of heaven. I flew around like a bird. It was strange. Beautiful, but very strange. Lots of different rooms. Different worlds, really. One of my sisters was there (she's still alive, btw) and she lived in a Victorian mansion and hosted a bridge group everyday. She told me something about how I was living wrong but now I can't remember what she said.

I know, it was strange like dreams can be. But it really left an impression on me. I sure don't want Jesus looking me up and down and telling St. Peter to give me the bum's rush. Dang, that was one of the worst moments of my life and it was only a dream!

68 posted on 12/12/2013 2:30:32 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: DouglasKC

Sounds like someone is making judgment, and God said not to do that.


100 posted on 12/12/2013 3:08:43 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: DouglasKC; daniel1212
You know that is one of the most ignored teachings in the entire Bible. When you look at the New Testament, they were immersed in water after they repented. They were brought up out of the water, symbolically dying with Christ. And then they would have hands laid on them by the ministry in order to receive the Holy Spirit. And that is actually one of the most ignored teachings in all the Bible and it is one of the reasons why God isn't working as powerful in our lives as we want.

The piece has wonderful and very valid points on obedience. Above is where they lost me. I wonder what their opinion is on Cornelius and household being filled with the Holy Spirit prior to Peter proclaiming that all should be baptized (Acts 10):

Acts 10:

43 Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

107 posted on 12/12/2013 3:24:59 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: DouglasKC
2 Corinthians 6:2 For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
150 posted on 12/12/2013 6:17:44 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: DouglasKC; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; TNMountainMan; alphadog; infool7; ...

“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”

Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?

What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him

Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”

Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”

He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]


156 posted on 12/12/2013 6:40:59 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: DouglasKC

No Trinity...Immediately disqualified just on that alone...


160 posted on 12/12/2013 6:47:33 PM PST by Iscool
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To: DouglasKC

So are you saying Jesus is a liar?

And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Luke 11:9, 10 KJV


188 posted on 12/13/2013 11:08:26 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: DouglasKC
You're Probably Not Saved, Yet.

Izzat so?!


 

1 John 5:13

American Standard Version
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, [even] unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.

 Bible in Basic English

I have put these things in writing for you who have faith in the name of the Son of God, so that you may be certain that you have eternal life.

 
Common English Bible
I write these things to you who believe in the name of God's Son so that you can know that you have eternal life.
 
I have written you these things so that you may know that you have eternal life - you who keep trusting in the person and power of the Son of God.
 
These things I write to you that you may know that you have eternal life: you who believe in the name of the Son of God.
 
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
I've written this to those who believe in the Son of God so that they will know that they have eternal life.
 
I am writing this to you so that you may know that you have eternal life - you that believe in the Son of God.
 
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
 
I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
These [things] I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
I write this letter to you who believe in the Son of God so you will know you have eternal life.
 
I'm writing these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God. I'm doing it so you will know that you have eternal life.
 
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
 
I write this to you who believe in the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life.
 
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
These things have I written to you that ye may know that ye have eternal life who believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
My purpose in writing is simply this: that you who believe in God's Son will know beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have eternal life, the reality and not the illusion.
 
These things have I written to you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.
 
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
These thynges have I written vnto you that beleve on the name of the sonne of God that ye maye knowe howe that ye have eternall lyfe and that ye maye beleve on the name of the sonne of god.
 
I write all this to you in order that you who believe in the Son of God may know for certain that you already have the Life of the Ages.
 
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
 
I write to you these things, that ye know , that ye have everlasting life, which believe in the name of God's Son.
 
These things I did write to you who are believing in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that life ye have age-during, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.
 

201 posted on 12/13/2013 8:57:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DouglasKC

Armstrongism and the UGC ...

Great, another cult with a bunch of cash tied up in PR playing Christian.

No thanks, the Faith is spelled out rather clearly, messing with it, is, well messy...

Maybe you and the Mormons should form a basketball league...


211 posted on 12/13/2013 10:35:37 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: DouglasKC

Why would you post- this nonsense?


216 posted on 12/13/2013 11:12:18 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: DouglasKC; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; TNMountainMan; alphadog; infool7; ...

“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”

Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?

What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him

Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”

Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”

He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]


247 posted on 12/14/2013 2:26:29 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: DouglasKC
Great faith is not found on the highest mountains, or the highest peaks, no.
Great faith is not found in the greatest PHDs, or theological degrees, or in the greatest of class rooms, no.
Great faith is not found in the greatest pulpits, or the glory of the spotlight, no.
Great faith is found in the deepest of valleys, the hardest of times when faith seems so little.
Great faith is found when tested, and ? even failed God.
Great faith is found when all human efforts are exhausted.
Great faith is found when there is no reason to go on.
Great faith is found in the most unlikely of all places.
Great faith is found in the deepest nooks and crannies where often as like a river bed or stream bed gold is found.
Great faith is found in life's greatest of struggles.
Great faith is found in God's testings, and even if you fail, your faith remains.
379 posted on 12/21/2013 2:34:32 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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