Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
You didn’t answer the question.
The Holy Scriptures alone are God-breathed and able to make a man of God complete.
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Where do the Holy Scriptures state exactly that?
For Christians, yes. For Catholics, not so much.
Yesterday saw...a forceful plea from a key papal advisor [Bishop Salvatore Fisichella, the rector of the Lateran University and President of the Pontifical Academy for Life] to reject the idea of Christianity as a “Religion of the Book”...........the big debate over Dei Verbum at the time of the council pitted what was then known as the “two-source theory,” which held that Scripture and tradition are essentially two separate streams of revelation, against the “one-source theory,” which posited that Scripture is the lone source of revelation and tradition is an elaboration of it. In effect, Dei Verbum held that Scripture and tradition are interdependent and integrally related to one another.
-- from the thread Synod: Christianity not a 'Religion of the Book'
"As we begin the work of this synodal assembly, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, let us turn our gaze to Christ, the light of the world and our only teacher," Cardinal Levada encouraged.The prelate's point was further developed when Cardinal Marc Ouellet, archbishop of Quebec, took the floor to affirm that the Word is much more than the Bible. He clarified that Christianity is not a religion of the Book.
"The Word of God means before all else God himself who speaks, who expresses in himself the divine Word that belongs to his intimate mystery," he said.
This Word, he added during his Latin-language discourse, which he delivered seated beside the Pope, speaks in a particular and also dramatic way in the history of man, especially in the election of a people, in the Mosaic law and the prophets.
-- from the thread Cardinal Says Scripture Inseparably United to Tradition
I’m not Catholic.
BUT
There is a bit of Scripture which says, and I paraphrase, That which is bound up on Earth, shall be bound up in Heaven.
I take this to mean that, our Earthly concerns, will have SOME weight, in the Final Judgment.
There are SOME people, that WE regard as particularly HOLY, as we, mere mortals, deem them.
These are the people that WE (mortals) deem as Holy and Christ-like, despite their Earthly Coil, i.e., All men are sinners and fall short of the Glory of God...
Anyway, as I have said, I am not Catholic, and have not been raised to give credence to the Saints, though now, I am re-thinking...
When one thinks that they understand the mind of God, they understand nothing...
For Christians, yes. For Catholics, not so much.
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1. Catholics are Christians.
2. WHERE does the Bible state that the Bible is the pillar of truth?
“Where do the Holy Scriptures state exactly that?
The passage has already been quoted on this thread at least twice...
1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed on with our house which is from heaven.
2 Corinthians 5
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
Corinthians 5.6
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
C.5.8
And I found this one too:
I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body...
Peter 1.14
Just for comparison, verse from the Bhagavad Gita 2.20:
For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.
So you’re questioning the accuracy of the Bible?
“Gee, I wonder how the Apostles and first Christians survived without that Bible?”
the Hebrew Scriptures were already there... as Paul tells Timothy. From childhood, he had known the Scriptures that are able to make you wise to salvation.
“Gee, I wonder how the Apostles and first Christians survived without that Bible?”
Since the Apostles were scripture producers, and claimed to be writing scripture in the first place, I imagine they survived quite well.
“Um..one other thing...where does the Bible state that it contains the COMPLETE teachings and/or that we need nothing else?”
Try re-reading my post again before asking me to repeat myself.
The Word of God means before all else God himself who speaks,...
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Makes sense to me...as I’m sure it did to the Apostles and first Christians.
As an old-fashioned, 50s type Catholic, I don’t even read the Bible. (Put your eyebrows back on!) But I do pray to my favorite saints, one of whom includes Jehanne and Francis of Assisi.
So why do Jews leave the door open and a glass of wine for ELIJAH if he is dead and can do no more???
So why do you pray to other people instead of the Lord Jesus Christ Son of God who died for your sins?
As a 50s type Catholic I assume you read Catholic produced doctrine.
I did read your post and saw nothing that stated we needed nothing else besides the Bible.
You stated: Since the Apostles were scripture producers, and claimed to be writing scripture in the first place, I imagine they survived quite well.
Hmmmm...well when Paul was writing...did the Christian communities (or even the rest of the Aposltes and disciples) have access to all the books of the Bible? When did they first have access to the Bible? Exactly how many years went by in the history of Christianity before there was a Bible?
Well quoted in post 13
That's good keep it up! Contrary to what some believe, the Church actually encourages her members to think for themselves, and consider issues carefully. Not just blindly accept everything without careful thought.
So as you continue to do so, keep this thought in mind: It is written that the prayers of the righteous "availeth much". Now consider: who could possibly be more "righteous" than those in heaven already? This is truly why their intercessory prayer is so highly prized.
Truly the only question one should consider in this issue is, whether of not it's possible for those in heaven to "hear" the prayers of those on earth. All the other objections ultimately point to and are related to this question.
God bless! And I'll pray that all the Saints pray for you as well!
Huh?
Except Christianity isn’t Hinduism, nor is it actually taught that our ultimate form is to be souls without bodies. That form is certainly an incomplete one. The Catholic article erroneously quotes the following scripture in support of the Spirits being alive. While spirits are certainly not “dead” by the modern definition, they are not “alive” since to be dead in the first place means a separation from the body.
The verse they quoted is in reference to the resurrection of the dead. The body and soul being reunited at the great resurrection at the end of time.
Mat 22:31-32 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, (32) I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
“So why do you pray to other people instead of the Lord Jesus Christ Son of God who died for your sins?”
Maybe because He listens to a billion prayers every second? He needs a break too, you know.
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