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To: NYer
I've seen verses in the Bible describing clearly that the real self is the eternal soul, and the mortal body is a covering of the soul. The consciousness is coming from the soul, not the body made of material elements - so praying to "dead" saints means praying to those who are eternally alive and in perfect loving relationship with God. Same exact principle in the Hindu texts.

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed on with our house which is from heaven.

2 Corinthians 5

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

Corinthians 5.6

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

C.5.8

And I found this one too:

I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body...

Peter 1.14

Just for comparison, verse from the Bhagavad Gita 2.20:

For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.

27 posted on 07/14/2013 3:25:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; NYer

Except Christianity isn’t Hinduism, nor is it actually taught that our ultimate form is to be souls without bodies. That form is certainly an incomplete one. The Catholic article erroneously quotes the following scripture in support of the Spirits being alive. While spirits are certainly not “dead” by the modern definition, they are not “alive” since to be dead in the first place means a separation from the body.

The verse they quoted is in reference to the resurrection of the dead. The body and soul being reunited at the great resurrection at the end of time.

Mat 22:31-32 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, (32) I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.


39 posted on 07/14/2013 3:32:30 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: little jeremiah
For the soul there is never birth nor death.

Do not discount this question, I am not trying to be a smartass......

If we all have a soul, where does it come from, who or what gave it to us?

If it was given to us from heaven, does heaven have an unlimited amount of souls to give to us humans? Does heaven recapture our souls once we die?

Since the population on this planet is growing astronomically and my assumption is that heaven provides us with our souls, how can heaven keep up with the soul assignments?

I know that sounds stupid but it's the best way I could ask this question...........

1,176 posted on 07/17/2013 5:22:43 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I don't have a bucket list but my fuc$it list is a mile long)
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