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To: NYer

I’m not Catholic.

BUT

There is a bit of Scripture which says, and I paraphrase, That which is bound up on Earth, shall be bound up in Heaven.

I take this to mean that, our Earthly concerns, will have SOME weight, in the Final Judgment.

There are SOME people, that WE regard as particularly HOLY, as we, mere mortals, deem them.
These are the people that WE (mortals) deem as Holy and Christ-like, despite their Earthly Coil, i.e., All men are sinners and fall short of the Glory of God...

Anyway, as I have said, I am not Catholic, and have not been raised to give credence to the Saints, though now, I am re-thinking...

When one thinks that they understand the mind of God, they understand nothing...


24 posted on 07/14/2013 3:22:02 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Paisan
Anyway, as I have said, I am not Catholic, and have not been raised to give credence to the Saints, though now, I am re-thinking...

That's good keep it up! Contrary to what some believe, the Church actually encourages her members to think for themselves, and consider issues carefully. Not just blindly accept everything without careful thought.

So as you continue to do so, keep this thought in mind: It is written that the prayers of the righteous "availeth much". Now consider: who could possibly be more "righteous" than those in heaven already? This is truly why their intercessory prayer is so highly prized.

Truly the only question one should consider in this issue is, whether of not it's possible for those in heaven to "hear" the prayers of those on earth. All the other objections ultimately point to and are related to this question.

God bless! And I'll pray that all the Saints pray for you as well!

37 posted on 07/14/2013 3:31:29 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Paisan
Matthew 6:6-13 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

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Luke 18:11-13 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

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John 14:13-16 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

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Jesus gives quite a few examples of prayer. In the Lord's Prayer He provides us the instruction that when we pray - it is to "Our Father." At no point is there ever a reference to praying to any saint. Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Daniel, Elijah, Ezekiel - all prayed to God. Never to a saint.

Jesus clearly tells us - Pray to the Father - in Jesus' Name.

If the saints answered prayer there would never be any reason to pray to God. God and God alone answers prayers. God is omnipotent; not saints. All power comes through God and no one else.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shall have no other gods before me.

362 posted on 07/14/2013 7:53:59 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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