Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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So? Your point is?
That is strange -- Swedenborgians believe that Jesus is the one God, they disbelieve in the Trinity, and that is diametrically opposite to the Mormon belief which is that Jesus is just one of many gods.
They are not your spiritual brothers as your Swedenborgianism is monotheistic to the point of denying the Trinity and the Mormons accept many gods.
Dave “In heaven people actually speak directly from their thought, “ — did you travel up with Jimmy Duplantis?
I didn’t say Joseph Smith took every teaching.... He was ministered to by Swedenborgian missionaries before his visions. I respect everyone’s understanding of the Lord. He and the Father are One.
huh?
Davy, since you apparently claim all paths lead to god, how are differencing opinions so irritating to you?
Davy, since you apparently claim all paths lead to god, there cannot be hell, so why have you on several occasions tell those of us who disagree with you, will go to hell?
Davy, if all paths lead to god, no one can be wrong and no one will go to hell - please make up your mind, ok?
No, but I had my own NDE when I was 30 and communicated with angels beneath the tree of life... that was a quote from Swedenborg’s Heaven and Hell, BTW. That was his experience.
Saundra, when will you learn that you will not get away with lying here on FR ?
Your own scripture says "THE GODS" created the earth, NOT JESUS.
Here in referenced black and white for all to see.
FLDS/LDS Book of Abraham Chapter 4:
1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.
3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.
If past predicts future, now is the point of the argument where you go from "matters what the meaning of 'is' is" to Isalmic rage boy ?
Swedenborgism denies the existance of the devil - hence no hell. Some have said 'borg taught that hell was just a tempral experience.
Then again - 'borg taught a great deal about “conjugal love” - hmmmmmmmm
did they give their names. How do you know they were angels and not others?
And that is not Mormon understanding. Rather it it utterly opposite to Mormon beliefs. Jesus and The Father in Mormon beliefs are utterly distinct, separate persons, not of the same substance.
Dave I've had some pretty strange things happen to me in my life as well. The last of which was not long ago during a time of intense spiritual growth.
Christ warned us that even the devil can appear to us as an angel of light. Just because angels talked to you does not mean they were good. Satan himself was a covering angel, the most beautiful God made.
Know that supernatural occurances are NOT NORMAL, and are a consequence of active participation in the occult. I have seen and heard about MUCH of this in mormonism, IT HAPPENS. Usually teenagers, who are told by bishops that they should rejoice because Satan is angry with them.
If it changes, it's not truth. Truth is truth. If it changes, it turns into a lie.
Psalm 119:89 Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
Matthew 5:17-19 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus IS the truth. To know Jesus is to know truth. He doesn't change.
This nonsense about *dynamic* writings or religion is just religious hokum, IOW, lies of the enemy, designed to nothing more than lead people away from God.
Its not mormon but has is base in swedenborgism modalism
Swedenborg denied the existence of the devil, but wrote a whole book on Heaven and Hell, so hell did have some kind of existence for him.
That's all I could find out in a few minutes, but if Swedenborg was a mystic, it would be hard to say just exactly what he did believe, since mystical or visionary writers can be read in different ways. A mystical experience doesn't always translate easily into dogma or a logical system.
The other problem is that what 21st century religions believe and what their founders believed aren't necessarily the same.
Hell is under the Lord's kingdom - individuals there pervert His Divine Love and Wisdom into evil and falsity, as people do here. I believe hell to be eternal.
Except that if we disagree with you, we're going to hell, as per post 742 where you said....
Again, I supposed you all have elected yourself popes of the whole of Christianity. I’m sure you all will find a cozy spot in hell where you can talk amongst yourselves...
Hey Saundra, share with freerepublic how you feel about your most ardent defender exposing and accusing FLDS/LDS “Prophet” Joseph Smith of swiping the “plan of salvation” from the Swedenborgians rather than getting it from “gods” as he claimed....
I have no idea what he ‘swiped’ or what was confirmed to him in visions - it’s not documented.... yet.
Supports Mormon prophecy but rails against seeing the trinity as anything but one God like us Trinitarians, but we are not Trinatarian enough because a Swedish physicist said so......
Ya know Christianity is just not that difficult. Never understood the need to make it so except to cover an ulterior agenda.
Thanks T, Bookmarked it for later reading. :)
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