Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
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You just caused multiple heads to explode here!
This is what someone gleened from wherever - not how the Lord is understood by believer. Heresy is a word used to keep the Catholics in line with thought control. Again, I supposed you all have elected yourself popes of the whole of Christianity. I’m sure you all will find a cozy spot in hell where you can talk amongst yourselves...
Thank's for not bullying (or judging) folks who post scripture and other true facts.
It's well noted.
You SURE you ain't MORMON; for they tend to re-define words to suit their choosing, too.
Heresy is a deviation from established orthodoxy.
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
“But HEY! - what do I know? “
Too much! Thanks.
Well I will grant the you do a good job of pointing out that Momonism with their the completely separate gods are wrong, but wouldn’t that be bullying...
Well, I’ve seen it said here that Bill Graham is going to hell for supping and praying with Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney. I’m just pointing out your own judging based on from what I know of the eternal destination of this behavior from Swedenborg... REPENT! The end is here. I have news - I meditated and studies the actual text of the White Horse Prophecy (see wikipedia - 1st reference document). I believe it is with merit.
`You might just as well say,’ added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, `that “I breathe when I sleep” is the same thing as “I sleep when I breathe”!’
Well, first of all allow me to commend you on giving a reminder that I've issued literally DOZENS of times over these past five years on FR...that we are not to operate based upon political or bodily fear...In fact, allow me to quote excerpts of what I've said those dozens of times:
Jesus says "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)
So does Jesus say, "fear the Marxists/communists/socialists?" (No...I think you, Bill, and I agree on that)
Does Jesus say "fear Obama? -- Or Romney himself?" (No...I think you, Bill, and I agree on that)
But does He still say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes...and this is where I believe we part perspectives here)
Allow me at this point to break from citing the "excerpt" -- and ask you, Bill:
Do you not, on behalf of those who are hell-bound, fear for them ???
When Jesus tells us plainly and directly that He is "show[ing] you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him" -- Do you not then properly respond with fear where Jesus is directly authorizing it???? (yes or no?)
And, so, to return to that except...
Isn't, then, our "fear" exercised on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk?
...we need our fellow brothers and sisters to love us and defend us and have fellowship with us. [billcompugeek]
Hmmm...'tis almost like that "dozens of times" 'excerpt' I keep referencing was written just for you...Because THE very next line reads:
As for "uniting" behind common causes (or fellowships with those who may or may NOT be our "brothers and sisters"), I could probably guess that the folks who the apostle Paul warned the church @ Ephesus about had the bulk in common with the sheep there.
How so?
Well, for example, both groups were "religious." So, let me ask you Bill: Did Paul play the "allies"-game-don't-divide-us-you're playing?
A resounding "NO!" Bill
As Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:
"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)
Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves, distorting the truth in the process!)
Joseph Smith was not condemned for always wanting to start a church as his life goal... [Billcompugeek]
Are ya telling us, Bill, that if God could teleport you back to Ephesus where Paul is giving his farewell talk to the church at Ephesus (Acts 20), and you heard him say: "I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." -- would you mildly scold the apostle, and say "Ya know, Paul, these 'savage wolves' you reference are NOT to be condemned for always wanting to lead this church as their 'life goal...' ????
I mean is that the way you would redefine Acts 20 for us, Bill?
I mean, really, Bill...would you presume upon Paul like that?
And tell me something, Bill: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important?
Or is it a "So what?" Are we simply to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what did he know about assessing false shepherds, savage truth distorting wolves, or cultural priorities?"
Established orthodoxy... by YOU?? I'm anything but an Orthodox Christian. I believe in spiritual freedom.
It seems very ironic to me that murderous character assassination is used with Joseph Smith here for his 'shady' past but Paul who was then Saul was anything but good (as documented in Scripture). The Mormon Church was established to be dynamic in that writings can change. The New Church doesn't do that (just try to attack Swedenborg's life - LOL)
what was a doctrine for the first Church?
Swedenborg scribed the Heavenly Doctrines that unveil the internal meaning of His Word to lay the foundation of The New Jerusalem described in Revelation. I am a member of the Church established by those Writings.
Prove it.
You seen this, really?
Where name names......
No Davy mormonISM was established as anti-Christian.
The very foundation is anti-Christian.
As for JS shady past as you put it, all happened while he was establishing his anti-Christian group.
It was while he was the leader/ruler/overseer/dictator of mormonISM that he lied, stole, committed pedophilia, adultery, treason, scammed, destroyed personal property of those who spoke against him, burned down newspapers..........
The foundation of the Mormon Church lies with the New Church. I consider Mormons my closest spiritual family as the love the Lord and neighbor as I do.
Why do you deem that "ironic?" If Swedenborg's followers would actually read Paul's writings more, vs. shuffling them off as non-inspired, then you'd know that Paul referenced himself as "the chief of sinners."
Seems to me that being a sinner is exactly what qualifies us for being in Christ...(Ya know, Jesus saying that it's not the healthy well ones who have need of a "Physician")
In sharp contrast, Joseph Smith was preaching how they were on their way to godhood...more in line with what Isaiah indicates got Lucifer canned from heaven (see Isaiah 14:14-16)
Which do you think resonates more with God? Confession of being a chief sinner; and u-turn repentance that accompanies it? Or the pride, arrogance and hubris of telling God to "move over" 'cause the new gods are in heaventown, ready to receive prayer, worship, praise, glory etc. as competing rival gods?
We all know that Davy.......
It appears you/yours and mormoISM are all anti-Christian.
And it also appears that you must work for ‘salvation’, IE own path to god, and reject outright the Saving Grace of God Almighty.
How so very sad.
And yet Jesus is referred to as King of Kings and Lord of Lords - kinda messes up your eisengensis of those passages from John.
I have often talked with angels . .
And satan can appear as an angel of light . .
this guy is a loon.
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