White Horse Prophecy [Mitt's Loss brings obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied]

MessagetoEagle.com ^ | Nov. 8, 2012 | Dustin Naef

[Colofornian]

MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.

It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.

Electoral Votes:

Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206

Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?

Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.

“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.

In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.

Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.

Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.

Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.

Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.

I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.

My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.

Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .

Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.

In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.

There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.

A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .

*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.

*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.

*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.

*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).

And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—

I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.

One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.

Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:

The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.

“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.

Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”

As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:

…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .

Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?

Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?

What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?

Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .

Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor

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[RnMomof7]

wow

[Elsie]

Do you also believe someone is condemned to hell for their beliefs? Ever think that is the foulest thing that a so called Christian can say?

Golly!

Who knew!!!

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John 3:16-18

 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

[Elsie]

1/2

[Elsie]

Please cite scripture stating anyone is going to hell immediately after death of the body for what very well be reasons beyond their control

Dang!

So many limitations in your questions.

Why?

[svcw]

ahhh, How nice of you to ignore the words of LDS posted here from their own sources and listen to a couple of nice kids who ride bikes and will sound ever so sweet and kind.

Would you consider this venom? "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

Or maybe this? "Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

Wait, what about this? "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christiandom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common orgin. They belong to Babylon." (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p.324)

Wait, there's more. Joseph Smith: I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I." (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).

Those nice boys wont tell you the truth - just saying.

[Elsie]

...and I think this was the only time that some silly butt mormon kid wet behind the ears and ignorant of the things of God didnt challenge me and my right to preach because I was a woman and didnt have a pesthood entitlement..

Now Nana,just HOW can this be true?

We have it on good account that...

 

 

Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Colofornian]

Do you also believe someone is condemned to hell for their beliefs? Ever think that is the foulest thing that a so called Christian can say? [DaveMSmith]

I have news: Luther exaggerated. His logic flawed. He didn't speak 'truth. - what he spoke was heresy. [DaveMSmith, post #292]

So condemning someone for their beliefs is "foul," but DaveMSmith condemning Luther for his alleged heretical beliefs is A-OK???? Or labeling Luther "quite insane" (post #171) must be a "compliment" by comparison, eh???

ALL: Note from Dave the split directives and the "religious license" he gives himself for openly judging others' religious beliefs as he openly condemns Martin Luther.

[Tennessee Nana]

Remember, we Mormons stood side-by-side with Evangelicals and Catholics and Jews to protest abortion
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Remember your memory is bad

Its never happened...

While Christians (both Catholics and Protestants) and (Jews ???) have protested against abortion the Mormon religion has been silent for 40 years...

In fact Willard just 2 weeks ago stated that there would not be any pro-life legislation during his administration...

good thing God saw fit to not allow him the White house...

why would God exchange one foul baby killer with another ???

Willard wouldnt have done the pro-life movement a lick of good...

but would have tried to set it back years with his pro-abortion legislation...

Willard wanted no parental notification or need for permission for underage girls, free or $50 abortions in his RomneyCare for starters...

So much for family values...

The Mormon religion allows abortion on demand..their doctrine on abortion is if the bishop says that the mormon gods say its OK then go kill the baby...

there is no pro-life statement in the Mormon religion...

other than abortion for rape, incest, health and life of the pregnant fewmale...

Hmmmmmmmmm

how Roe V Wade of them...

[Vendome]

LOL...

Sorry bout that. It’s a group of people who are pretty well read(and researched) on Christianity and a bunch of other things.

Not going to write real eloquent as I am having some Oban and a fat juicy Ribeye with Toolbox mushrooms

Delish !

Looked up your church. Interesting. I’ll read up on them more later thiswweek and try get some material on the fellow referenced several times at the site.

Some Swede ????? Sorry, absolutely not trying to be insulting. I’m on my cell and can’t easily flip through pages to get the correct name.

Post on...

[Vendome]

Please stop. it happens. Fraud, fat finger adulation, etc. They will haveccleager numbers in qbiut 34 days as prescribed by law.

I don’t expect much to change though. Romney was just not pulling the numbers. Then again, neither was Barry.

[RaceBannon]

There is Divine Truth from the infinite Lord and appearances of this truth by man - we are imperfect vessels. Truth to us can be considered an appearance - the more we are perfected (regenerated), the more we are raised and our understanding increases. The understanding is increased to eternity after our bodies die. Do you have Scripture for ‘and only ONE Truth..’ or is that Nana’s? Divine Truth can be distorted to falsity by the unregenerate, BTW. All comes from the same place.

It sounds like you agree with Pilate himself...

Jn 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?

[Vendome]

Have at it. I invite them over for dinner whenever I run into them

Good kids.

[DaveMSmith]

Luther served God's purpose with breaking from the Catholic Church. It was a political thing as was Calvin. There are 2 elements in the spiritual world... Good and Truth or Love and Wisdom. We receive these in The Will and Understanding. Heat and Light. But we can be in 'winter' where there's light (truth) but no heat - nothing grows. Dormancy.

As for questioning my 'perfect' adherence to my own principles, let's just say the devil made me do it. I have ideals that I strive for but sometimes I respond 'in kind' to make a point.

Faith without works is dead.

[Vendome]

Zactly

[svcw]

ahhh, You have principles.

[Vendome]

I like you...for some reason...

[DaveMSmith]

Yes. I consider myself in the service to His kingdom. Like I said, an online lay ministry - I’m here to ‘drain the swamp’ before I invite friends here.

[Colofornian]

(And of course, you being a Swedenborg “disciple” — by saying these things about Luther — you condemn Swedenborg’s own father, who was a Lutheran pastor!)

[Tennessee Nana]

Remember, we Mormons stood side-by-side with Evangelicals and Catholics and Jews to protest ...gay marriage
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sandy sandy Sandy

Lets go back to 2008 and remember what REALLY hapened...

The Christians in California had been working alonmg with no other religions like Mormonism etc in sight to bring a pro tradition marriage proposition onto a ballot for the voters to decide on...

For several years other states my own Tennessee included had passed Marriage Acts without the aid of any Mormons ...

I guess like Chick-fil-A it wasnt on their agenda...

the 1stweek of February 2008 Willard Mitt romney got his butt kicked and dropped out of the POTUS race...

The Mormons were livid and seeking revenge on the Christians like the sore loser men they are...they looked around for an excuse to not help that awful Gentile John McCain win the race...

They spied the goings on in CA and moved in to take over...

Mormon dont “help” they want to take over and puch out the gentiles...

Then in Aug McCain picked a WOMAN for his running mate...

of all the creatures that puts fear and revaulsion into the mormon males breast...its a woman in any type of position of authority over men even 12 year old ‘men’

and heres one bound for the 2nd highest office in the nation...

not if the Mormons can stop her...

IT WAS ON...

The Mormons poured 10s of MILLIONS of dollars into the Prop which actually wasnt ready to go on a ballot, sent their own Mormon peons to CA to knock on doors and forced the Chrsitians to jump the gun and include it on the Nov ballot...

I said at the time it would be tossed out by the courts and it was...

(but not before the Mormons had a grand old time of playing We are special We get to play VICTIMS...)

REMEMBER this was not about passing a proposition on traditional marriage...tradition ,marriage to a Mormon is POLYGAMY

(I knew you would like that Sandy you and your polygamy leanings)

This was all to avoid having to drum up same lame excuse for not supporting the campaign of McCain and Paqlin...

The anti-Christian Mormons cost McCain the White house in 2008...

Could you imagine what would have happened if they had used their machine to help Mccain in 2008 ???

We wouldnt have been stuck with Obama...

oh I dont mean the machine named ORCA

Anyhoo the Mormons had an exciting time and got lots of free PR and Obama went to the WH...

A black guy but at least not a woman...

[Vendome]

Nice to see you again. Could you extend my warmest wishes to Resty and please have her come back?

Thnx