Aw... shucks...
Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
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With a simple answer.
(I'm awaiting the followup.)
Patience young man; patience.
Good things come to those who wait.
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The Rangers were accused of participating in — or at least failing to prevent — the Wyoming Valley massacre of July 1778 and the Cherry Valley massacre of November 1778 of white settlers (including some Loyalists) by Joseph Brant’s Iroquois. These actions earned the Rangers a reputation for exceptional savagery. They fought principally in western New York and Pennsylvania, but ranged as far west as Ohio and Michigan and as far south as Virginia.
Sorry sweetie, LDS women MUST receive permission to go to the LDS heaven......that’s just the way it is.
I do not care how these women in your mormon family lived their lives, or the mormon women in my family live their lives.....in the end it their husbands and only their husbands who determine whether they go to LDS heaven or not.
So again when push comes to shove, if the LDS husband is angered over something or other and states that she is now unworthy and he will not call her name, she will do what he wants.
It is just they way it is.
How sad that the men in your family were such poor providers that the women ruled.
Oh, and they weren’t mormons.
To the Babylonians from Saundra Duffy:
Ye elders of Israel, come join now with me
And seek out the righteous where’er they be -
In desert, on mountain, on land, or on sea -
And bring them to Zion, the pure and the free.
O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell;
We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell.
The harvest is great, and the lab’rers are few;
But if we’re united, we all things can do.
We’ll gather the wheat from the midst of the tares
And bring them from bondage, from sorrows and snares.
O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell;
We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell.
We’ll go to the poor, like our Captain of old,
And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold;
We’ll cheer up their hearts with the news that He bore
And point them to Zion and life evermore.
O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell;
We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell.
To the Babylonians from Saundra Duffy:
Ye elders of Israel, come join now with me
And seek out the righteous where’er they be -
In desert, on mountain, on land, or on sea -
And bring them to Zion, the pure and the free.
O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell;
We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell.
The harvest is great, and the lab’rers are few;
But if we’re united, we all things can do.
We’ll gather the wheat from the midst of the tares
And bring them from bondage, from sorrows and snares.
O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell;
We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell.
We’ll go to the poor, like our Captain of old,
And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold;
We’ll cheer up their hearts with the news that He bore
And point them to Zion and life evermore.
O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell;
We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell.
Jesus Christ is my Redeemer, Savior, Soon-Coming King, the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament. He is everything to me. I am a Mormon and Jesus died for me.
Jesus Christ is my Redeemer, Savior, Soon-Coming King, the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament. He is everything to me. I am a Mormon and Jesus died for me.
I hate to tell you kid, that the Men and Women in my (Mormon Side) family make Romney look poor, me, on the Protestant side, I only have a couple of Mil, I will go Check books with you any day, care to put up $10 Grand?
That is fascinating to me.
Is a shift to Islam, in America, a better fate to you, than having a Mormon as President?
Is outright communism in America a better fate to you, than having a Mormon as President?
Is the destruction of Israel, the overturning of the Second Amendment, and the appointment of multiple extreme-left SCOTUS judges a better fate to you, than having a Mormon as President?
Ni kid
Wez back..
You burnt us out last time and scattered our women and children...
Brave heroes...
Hmmmmmmmmm
My great grandfather boarded with some Maxwells in Scotland also...
Sounds like your male ancestors were lazy goof offs...
didnt they know that stomach rumbling was because they were hungry ???
and why didnt your heart ripper outer gg go rip the heart of some deer and get food for herself ???
Mine dide when the Rebels burnt down their house and chased them off ..
5 women 31 children...
al the way from Wyoming County PA (Susquehanna River Valley) to Canada...
Weeks through the forest and mountains...
Those children got hungry and the women knew how to shoot...
Please note: There is a huge anti Mormon industry (books, tapes, DVDs, speaking tours, etc) counting on you to believe their anti Mormon relentless preaching. Their livelihood depends on it.
Please also note that Jesus Christ is our Judge - not the anti Mormons or anti MormonISM zealots.
That post is in itself a "value judgment." The use of the term "anti-Mormon" in describing those who counter the message of the 52,000 (and growing) mormon missionaries going about the world claiming daily to Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is through arcane temple rituals done by "the one true church in the world" is a "value judgment" as is the tone of your post.
Would you ask a similar question about "anti-Christianity" of the FR mormons whose religion was steeped in hatred of Christianity for 150 years?
Jim Robinson would certainly be called "anti-mormon" (and has been on FR) if this is your judgment.
Perhaps you missed this post:
My position stands. The so-called book of Mormon is false gospel, ie, fiction. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity or the Word of God.
Look up false prophets in KJV.
Must be a flaw (among many flaws) in my up-bringing.
Perhaps instead of dropping in on just one thread you might search the Religion Forum for articles that have been posted for several years with actual mormon doctrine as sources before making any calls.
Yes
as I recall last time we continued our 4th great granddads war, I mentioned Chery Calley...
However there were more than one group in Butler’s Rangers and I dont know if mine were there...
If they were its an awful thing they id..
Mine were attached to the Indian Department because they spoke the Indian languages...
They had lived on the frontier in PA untiul 1775 when they were burnt out by the Rebels and had their lands confiscated and they were run off and had to flee for their lives.....
It is possible they were there...
How many times do you want me to apologize ???
However the Rebels did just as bad to the Loyalists families ..
I have know idea what you are rambling on about now.
We have been discussing that mormon women must have permission from their husbands to go to LDS heaven and now you are screaming you want to bet and how much money you have - to that I say WTF are you talking about?
Anti MormonISM is condemning all Mormons to hell. If that isn’t anti Mormon I don’t know what is. However, try as you might, you cannot destroy my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, my Savior and Best Friend. He is my personal Savior. He is everything to me. And this is Heavenly Father’s Plan; and the Holy Ghost seals this in my heart.
I am a Mormon. If you are anti MormonISM, then you are anti Mormons. Judging me is reserved for my Savior Jesus Christ, not you. Judging me and all Mormons is way above your pay grade.
Please also note that Jesus Christ is our Judge - not
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Joseph Smith like the Mormons believe...
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