I await James getting some egg on his face.
So.
(1) Mitt doesn't talk about his gov role in MA. (He can't. His "main achievements" in MA was (a) RomneyCare; and (b) NOT being able to defend one-man, one-woman marriage when the MA justices decided to overhaul that institutions)
(2) Mitt doesn't talk about his resume' as a "bishop" in the Mormon church, either.
He's "locked" to discussing Bain (and occasionally, the Olympics). That's it.
So there's really been "no window" into who Mitt is. His "groundswell" isn't even about Mitt. It's all been about "the Middle Class" this and "Middle Class that" -- All because what Obama has done to the Middle Class!
So Carville thinks Team Romney will have "to recalibrate their strategy a little bit...[and] be more aggressive talking about some of the things he has done."
Wow! Once that happens, that'll be like a defense attorney who ventures into ground that a judge might otherwise rule as "irrelevant" to the "case" at hand for the prosecuting attorney to cover...yet once the defense attorney wanders in...too late...they "opened the door" for prosecution testimony discussion purposes.
Mormonism would then become a "free-for-all" subject matter for discussion within the MSM. Why? Because Mitt would be bringing it up!!!
And the over 40% of voters who still don't know that Mitt is a Mormon might wake up to discover who he is!
What's the "window" into who he is? And how does his Mormonism relate to who Mitt is?
If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm, they may want to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is — ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" — undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
Expect then this same lack of constancy in a Romney White House. Wishy washy. Flip flopper. Waffler. Gumby.
Romney is not going to get sucked in to letting the Carville’s of this world define the terms of the debate as to who should be President.
Nice try, Carville, but it ain’t going to fly.
Romney can not talk about being governor because he was a failure.
Romney can not talk about the Olympics because he took $600mil taxpayers money to fix it.
He can’t talk about his belief in mormonISM because it is anti-Christian.
He could talk about his time at Bain, whether he was successful is your point of view.
All he can really do is say “I am not obama and obama sucks”.
You are a terrific expositor of what’s wrong with the LDS.
AND, you and I share the view that from Labor Day until Election Day, the MSM will be full-force “did you know this about LDS” 24/7.
To me, this doesn’t matter. I would rather have a guy who thinks he’s meant to fulfill the white horse prophecy than a guy who thinks he’s meant to destroy America.
I hope there are enough voters who agree with me.
Gee Carville...
Is that kinda like Obama not talking about his ‘Islamic...err Christian’ faith?
And the over 40% of voters who still don't know that Mitt is a Mormon might wake up to discover who he is!
I think your analysis is spot on, Colofornian.
I certainly don't pretend to be an expert on the subject of Mormonism, but I've learned enough here at this forum to become convinced that there is much to Mormonism that a mainstream presidential candidate won't want to try to defend. In response, Romney's supporters here usually limit their defense to the claim that Mormonism shouldn't be viewed as relevant to his candidacy. Of course, that is exactly why your point is so salient.
Should Romney insist that his Mormonism is relevant?
Having lived in a Mormon community, I’ve known a number of steady, dependable Mormons who were anything but sociopaths, but hey, there were some bad ones. I’ve met some bad Presbyterians too. ...But seriously, If I wish to remain franchised this election, I have to accept a limited choice, Obama or Romney, or convince myself any other choice I make won’t help Obama.
Talk about a crazy, sociopathic fueling religion, liberation theology is it. I’ve seen no evidence that Obama isn’t completely dedicated to his religion, and Obama’s Marxist styled spiritualism is as anti-American as it gets. ...It’s an easy decision. I take Mitt.
I’ve read most everything Walter Martin wrote, and a number of other Christian apologists as well. There is no doubt in my mind that Mormonism is anything other than a non-Christian cult. Same goes for liberation theology, and I find the latter far more dangerous, and relevant to the political dynamics of the day. I might also add that I’ve met a number of Mormons who really don’t understand that they are not Christians, according to their theology, even if they live good lives. Where Mitt stands in this scheme of things is beyond what I know of him. But it gets back to my choice. I can’t change what this reality is. I vote Mitt, without hesitation.
Did all of us ever think we would agree with Carville? LOL!
IB4MHG
Why do we ever listen to Democrats who claim to be offering advice to Republicans? Carville is laying a trap here. He WANTS Romney to open up about his Mormon religion because the Democrats want to portray him as a polygamist, racist kook. They want to make all the worst moments of the Mormon religion (whether they apply to Romney or not) the next big talking point to distract from Obama’s abject failures.
Only they can’t start this without looking intolerant, they have to get Romney to talk about it first so they can pounce on it and claim they’re merely answering Romney.
Romney is sticking to his Johnny-one-note about the economy and the Dems want the subject to be anything but. That’s why Mitt is sticking with this one theme because he knows Obama looks like an idiot every time he tries to excuse himself from responsibility.
I'll take the non-Moslem.
Interesting to see the defacto Obama supporters in this thread. The dimoKKKRAT Trojan horses are in full stride.
I wil trust any Mormon over any Marxist !
It’s good to see some conservatives vet Romney unlike the elites in the GOP.
We should not be like Obama voters and stick our heads in the sand and pretend there’s nothing wrong with this candidate.
If the right wants to have integrity, they must accept the truth about Romney and his kookie religion, otherwise if they ignore it, lie to cover it up or use Alinsky tactics to stop others from speaking out, then they’ve become as evil as the left.
That's all --
I have a bigger problem with Obamas communistic principles.
No, Jimmy. Mitt’s biggest problem is not that he’s a Mormon. Mitt’s biggest problem is that he’s a lame candidate. Now, whether Mormon teaching is a primary contributor to his lameness is a proposition we can argue. Personally, I think Mitt would be a lame candidate whatever religion he was in. He’s just a lame kind of guy. And let all the church say “Amen!” and “Amen!”
M_RM_N PR_PH_T
‘I’d like to solve the puzzle, Pat.’
The optics of the week long Romney vacation were all wrong for a prospective President of the United States.
But the optics of the week long Romney vacation were all right for a prospective Prophet of the Mormon Church.
After all, is there a more prominent Mormon in the world today than Mitt Romney? If Romney would be the richest President in American history wouldn’t he also be the richest Prophet in Mormon history?
Take a good look at the photo op of the Romney clan on the power boat. Does it look like a future god in embryo with all of his spirit children on the planet Kolob?
You Betcha!
Consider this: If Romney has to slug his way to the nomination at a brokered convention only to get clobbered by the MSM and Obama’s Chicago thugs in the fall campaign, where is the profit for the Mormon Church? There would be only loss and the threat of the Mormon Church being irretrievably broken.
Would a devout Mormon such as Mitt Romney rather be the POTUS [a ‘profane’ office of limited national jurisdiction] or Prophet [a ‘holy’ office of world-wide jurisdiction]?
Can there be a better poster child for the Mormon Church than Mitt Romney is today?
If Mitt Romney were to drop out of the POTUS race, release his delegates to vote their conscience in Tampa and assume the office of the Mormon Prophet, would the Public Relations of the Mormon Church be enhanced?
You Betcha!
Mitt Romney isn’t going to be the next POTUS.
Mitt Romney is going to be the next Mormon Prophet.
Stay Tuned.