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Posted on 07/03/2012 9:31:36 AM PDT by Teófilo
Another nail in the coffin of the foundational Protestant dogma
Sola scriptura is dead, or at least is undead, a zombie still stalking the darkened hallways of Protestantism. Many well-meaning Protestant Christians don’t see the zombie-dogma for what it is; instead, they choose to see it as a being of light. My friend Dave Armstrong has returned to blow the old decrepit sola scriptura monsters one at a time in his latest work, 100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura.
Let’s recall the definition of the sola scriptura dogma – yes, it is a dogma – as understood by Norman Geisler, a recognized Protestant authority Dave quotes in his work:
By sola scriptura orthodox Protestants mean that Scripture alone is the primary and absolute source of authority, the final court of appeal, for all doctrine and practice (faith and morals)… (p.16)Geisler, and other authorities Dave quotes, further explain that other authorities exist, but that these are of secondary importance. Geisler also defends what he calls the perspicuity of Holy Writ, which means that anyone can understand the basic truths of Scripture: the plain things are the main things and the main things are the plain things, Geisler states. (p.17). As a true analyst, Dave separated the sola scriptura dogma into its constituents claims, found out its contents, examined its individual parts, and studied the structure of sola scriptura as whole. He found them defective and insufficient to expound and explain the full spectrum of Christian claims.
Dave kills the sola scriptura zombie by selecting 100 verses from Scripture contradicting this central Protestant claim. I guess he selected 100 verses because the number “100” gives the reader a sense of exhaustive answer and completion, not because there are only 100 verses that should make all sincere Protestant Christian at least uncomfortable with the teaching. In fact, Dave is the author of another related work, 501 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura: Is the Bible the Only Infallible Authority?, which is useful if you need another 401 arguments to kill the sola scriptura zombie dead.
100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura. is a distillation of the 501 Biblical Arguments… in a more manageable, less overwhelming fashion for the beginning reader. It’s 133 pages in length and divided into two parts. In Part 1 Dave discusses the binding authority of Tradition, as substantiated in Scripture, and in Part 2 he discusses the binding authority of the Church, again from Scripture. The result must be uncontestable to the sincere Protestant Christian as well as eye opening to the full range of deeds and wonders the Incarnation of the Word of God brought to history.Will the sola scriptura zombie really die after Dave’s work? This is a senseless question because the zombie is already dead. It’s kept ambulating by strings pulled from the most diehard of its followers. Those strings must be cut by the individual, sincere Protestant Christian himself. Dave Armstrong’s work, 100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura. not only blows the zombie of sola scriptura away, he also provides the truth-searcher with the scissors to cut off the strings.
No biggy. This is just satan again, trying to negate The Word Of God. When he can’t do that he downplays it. When he can’t manage that, he counterfeits it. He’s even tried to say that the word of men is just as good.
I'm not sure why that would be. I would say, "There's biblical authority for paying attention to this."
For other things, I'd say, "There's no biblical authority for paying attention to this."
I guess Daves book is not for me either.
1 Corinthians 11:2: “. . . keep the ordinances, as I delivered {them} to you.”
2 Thessalonians 2:15: “. . . hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”
2 Thessalonians 3:6: “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”
1 Corinthians 15:1-3: “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.”
1 Thessalonians 2:13: “. . . when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received {it} not {as} the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
Jude 3: “. . . ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”
Lk 1:1-5 Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a
narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as
those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word
delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect
understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin,
yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
1 Cor 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you
Gal 1:9ff But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other
gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
2 Pet 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent?
John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
2 John 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish [to do so] with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.
Matthew 13:11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given
Luke 8:10 he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
1 Timothy 3: 14-15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
They also took the Book of Revelation out of the standard Catholic bible....And no wonder.
Revelation 22:19
"19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Where in the Bible does it point to a command to create a Bible or and what is supposed to be in it? (It doesn't.) It was Tradition that established the need for the Bible and established the Canon, not the other way around.
Peace be with you.
Where? Got a cite, or just a tradition of men?
“There is a sort of logical error in using Bible scripture to argue sola scriptura is not Biblical.”
BINGO!
And how do you know what’s authentic Scripture and what isn’t? How do you know the Bible is God’s word?
Again — if you are going strictly by the text, why are you not a muslim or a mormon?
Um, no. We never took the Revelation of St. John out of the Bible. In fact, we’re the guys who put it in.
“’Anytime someone says “God told me” I am tempted to remind them of the commandment against taking the Lord’s name in vain.”
God does speak to people through the Holy Spirit. I’m not so sure he does it during a scheduled TV program and right before a call for donations.
The logical failure would be that the authority of scripture alone is not scriptural.
Sola scriptura fails its own test - it is internally contradictory, self-contradictory.
The book’s approach is a corollary - scripture contradicts sola scriptura.
Why would I waste a nickel reading that deceptive Roman Catholic tripe? I’m not going to pretend Roman Catholicism is just another Christian option when it’s not. The Catholic gospel is not good news; it’s a soul damning pack of lies containing just enough truth in it to fool many people. Anyone who prays to dead “saints” and worships Mary is LOST. Your mass is rank blasphemy. Your sacraments don’t save. Your pope is the very embodiment of anti-Christ.
2 Timothy tells us to stay away from those “having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.”
Not true, the Bible as we know it came into existence after the Church. We know that the Church was founded by Jesus not because the Bible tells us so but rather because the Church existed already when the canon was adopted in the 4th century. Using the bible to refute sola scriptura is not illogical since it is the sola scriptura folks that claim the bible is all you need. Catholics do not claim that the only thing you need is the Bible therefore it is not inconsistent to use it to refute sola scriptura. If yoou were to say that you only need the letters of Paul for instance and i used the letters of Paul to show you that he denied that claim that would not be illogical any more than this use of the Bible is to refute sola scriptura.
a lotta folks are under some sort of mystical not-so-critical-look-at-early-church-history, and seem to assume on the day the Lord ascended to heaven, he reached into his tunic on the way up and dropped down a kjv bible with all his words in red....and the rest is just history...
thank God, he left us the word, with his teaching church and magesterium.....
That was in Sumer ~ where they invented the first writing.
.... back to counting ..... lebenteen gazillion and one, lebenteen gazillion and two, lebenteen gazillion and three.............
Living Constitution — got us abortion, gay rights, and a police state out of what was once the most God-fearing Christian nation in the world.
Sola Scriptura is not a dogma. It is a reasoned preference for the sanctity of the text over the “Living Text” creations of both of the major traditionalist religions (Eastern Orthodox and Catholic). Given that the Easterns clearly have a better claim to historicity, primacy, and a more accurate text than the vulgate, I’d be more inclined to back their traditionalist claims than yours. But I don’t have to go there. You have the Justice Breyer interpretation of scripture. Until Christ or St. Paul show up telling me to ignore the text in favor of something else, all of these purported arguments against sola scriptura are just silly.
Here’s some more Roman Catholic Tripe for you. Cover your eyes!
1 Corinthians 11:2: “. . . keep the ordinances, as I delivered {them} to you.”
2 Thessalonians 2:15: “. . . hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”
2 Thessalonians 3:6: “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”
1 Corinthians 15:1-3: “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.”
1 Thessalonians 2:13: “. . . when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received {it} not {as} the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
Jude 3: “. . . ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”
Lk 1:1-5 Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect
understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
1 Cor 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you
Gal 1:9ff But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
2 Pet 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent?
John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
2 John 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish [to do so] with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.
Matthew 13:11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given
Luke 8:10 he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
1 Timothy 3: 14-15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
.... lebenteen gazillion and fifty nine..... leben/
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