[SENTINEL]

Catholic leadership corrupted the Ten Commandments by deleting the 2nd (Thou shalt worship idols), and splitting the 10th commandment into two to get back to ten.

They also took the Book of Revelation out of the standard Catholic bible....And no wonder.

Revelation 22:19
"19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

[Romulus]

Um, no. We never took the Revelation of St. John out of the Bible. In fact, we’re the guys who put it in.

[Natural Law]

"Catholic leadership corrupted the Ten Commandments by deleting the 2nd (Thou shalt worship idols), and splitting the 10th commandment into two to get back to ten."

Protestants often ignore the fact that the 10 Commandments are stated twice in the Bible, the first time in Exodus 20 and again in Deuteronomy 5. The Catholic Church in its enumeration, ensures that both are faithfully expressed.

Note, Catholics do not worship anything other than God. The prohibition against "graven images" in both Exodus and Deuteronomy, is not an absolute prohibition of religious art, but against objects believed to possess some divine powers unto themselves. Like the Old Testament instructions to decorate the Temple, statues of the saints and Mary are only images to glorify God help focus our minds on God. They are not objects of worship.

Peace be with you.

[Celtic Cross]

Are you serious? The Catholic Church has never tried to remove the second commandment. Look at ANY Catholic-produced copy of the commandments, the 2nd is right there.

Additionally, each and every Catholic Bible that I've ever owned contains the Book of Revelations.

When I see such strange arguments, I really wonder if you are smoking something mind-altering. Because the areguments you just made are unfounded and so easily refutable as to boggle that the mind that anyone would try to make them.

[Iscool]

They also took the Book of Revelation out of the standard Catholic bible....And no wonder.

I wasn't aware of that...

And if that is true, that alone is enough to show we are not dealing with any type of Christian organization here..

[mtg]

They also took the Book of Revelation out of the standard Catholic bible....And no wonder.

Hmmm... I wonder what standard Catholic bible you're referring to. I am looking at my standard Catholic Bible right now and it has the book of Revelation in it. Perhaps you're confused because in the Catholic Bible, it is called The Apocalypse of St. John the Apostle.

[Titanites]

Catholic leadership corrupted the Ten Commandments by deleting the 2nd (Thou shalt worship idols), and splitting the 10th commandment into two to get back to ten.

The Catholics include this in the first of the commandments. Here is the whole commandement as can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

THE FIRST COMMANDMENT

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

I presume that the comment like yours comes from ignorance and not from malice. It is truly sad that this old canard is still being touted by non-Catholics to somehow denigrate the Church.

To confirm your error please quote for yourself, from Scripture, the way the Decalogue is divided and enumerated. In fact, you won't find it enumerated in Scripture as you know the 10 commandments.

Here is the Decalogue as presented in the Catholic Douay-Rheims Holy Bible Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. Note the references to "graven images".

The division of the commandments as you know them is just as much a tradition as the tradition used by the Catholic Church, and is only a short-hand of the Decalogue for convenience. The early Church relied on the Decalogue as presented by Moses in Deuteronomy 5. Until the failed Reformation, the commandments were known by Christians in the order as received by the early Church fathers. And even today, Lutherans and Catholics still agree on this enumeration and arrangement.

Calvin and other Reformers relied on Exodus 20 for the enumeration and arrangment of the 10 commandments, not that there is any thing wrong with that.

Please read this article to educate yourself. From the article comes this table which illustrates how various groups divide the Ten Commandments:

	Jewish Reckoning	Augustinian-Lutheran Reckoning	Orthodox-Reformed Reckoning
Introduction	And God spoke all these words, saying,	And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am the LORD your God."	And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am the LORD your God."
1st Word	"I am the LORD your God."	"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image"	"You shall have no other gods before me."
2nd Word	"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image."	"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain."	"You shall not make for yourself a graven image."
3rd Word	"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain."	"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."	"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain."
4th Word	"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."	"Honor your father and your mother."	"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
5th Word	"Honor your father and your mother."	"You shall not kill."	"Honor your father and your mother."
6th Word	"You shall not kill."	"You shall not commit adultery."	"You shall not kill."
7th Word	"You shall not commit adultery."	"You shall not steal."	"You shall not commit adultery."
8th Word	"You shall not steal."	"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."	"You shall not steal."
9th Word	"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."	"You shall not covet your neighbor's wife."	"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
10th Word	"You shall not covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not desire anything that is your neighbor's."	"You shall not desire anything that is your neighbor's."	"You shall not covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not desire anything that is your neighbor's."

[Titanites]

They also took the Book of Revelation out of the standard Catholic bible

Please tell us specifically which Bible version, and provide a link if you can. You do know that the Book of Revelation is known to Catholics as the Apocalypse of John.

And no wonder.

Well, you do have to wonder where people come up with this kind of accusation.

[Cronos]

you, Sentinel are utterly wrong on that

Let's count them:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth
3. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them
4. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
5. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
6. Honour thy father and thy mother
7. Thou shalt not kill
8. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
9. Thou shalt not steal
10. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
11. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house
12. thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife
13. nor his manservant, nor his maidservant
14. nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is his neighbors

How many do you read? 14 instructions (you can make it 15 since "Keep the Sabbath day holy" is mutually exclusive from "do not work on the Sabbath"

The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities

Now, do you understand? Catholics and Lutherans and yes, even most Orthodox Jews keep the same list -- 20:3 and 20:4 are grouped together

The Orthodox use a different formulation and this was copied by the Reformed

Now, FIRST, you've miscalculated -- there are 14-15 commandments

Secondly, the Lutherans keep the same list of commandments as Catholics -- are you saying they distorted it too?

Thirdly, most Orthodox Jews keep the same list of commandments as Catholics do-- are you saying they distorted it too?

Fourthly, the Eastern Orthodox formulation is what some non-catholic groups copied, yet I see some accusing our Orthodox brethern with the same iconoclasmic glee as they accuse us

Finally -- the Catholic Church says you can number the commandments whichever way you want, after all, it's just the way of remembering Exodus 20:2-17 -- 14 commandments...

[verga]

They also took the Book of Revelation out of the standard Catholic bible....And no wonder.

For the record it was Luther that wanted to remove the book of Revelation not The RCC, Wehave all the books, including the seven you guys took out.