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To: Tao Yin

1 Corinthians 11:2: “. . . keep the ordinances, as I delivered {them} to you.”

2 Thessalonians 2:15: “. . . hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”

2 Thessalonians 3:6: “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”

1 Corinthians 15:1-3: “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.”

1 Thessalonians 2:13: “. . . when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received {it} not {as} the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”

Jude 3: “. . . ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”

Lk 1:1-5 Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a
narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as
those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word
delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect
understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin,
yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

1 Cor 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you

Gal 1:9ff But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other
gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

2 Pet 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent?

John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;

John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

2 John 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish [to do so] with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”

Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.

Matthew 13:11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given

Luke 8:10 he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.

1 Timothy 3: 14-15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.


44 posted on 07/03/2012 10:39:01 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus; Tao Yin
Traditions

Was Rav Sha'ul (Paul) preaching about the
Pagan Traditions of the Roman "church" ?

The Roman "church" was not invented until 325 CE.

Paul and all the Apostles were Messianic Jews.

Yah'shua was/is and will always be a Jew !

They were speaking of Jewish Traditions.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
70 posted on 07/03/2012 11:07:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Romulus
You seem a little confused.

2 Thessalonians 2:15: “. . . hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”

We are supposed to hold to Apostolic tradition that we have been taught by word or letter. That's easy to do.

For some reason, the Catholics twist the the idea of Apostolic tradition to mean that tradition is oral. The previous verse clearly states that Apostolic tradition was spoken and was written. The Apostolic epistles are a settled matter. The Bible commands us to teach and to preach. The measure of an Apostolic tradition is how well it lines up with scripture. There is no other sure footing.

2 Thessalonians 3:6: “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”

From the first verse, we know that Apostolic tradition was spoken and was written. The church received the tradition from the Apostles in word and epistle. The written traditions are clearly Apostolic. The oral tradition must be in accord with scripture or it has little value.

80 posted on 07/03/2012 11:26:18 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Romulus; P-Marlowe
Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

This says that the church has authority. But, from whose mouth does this permission come to us? First, from Matthew, an Apostle, and Matthew was recounting the words of Jesus.

So, scripture tells us the Church has Divine Authority when acting as the church of the Resurrected Lord.

Is that really unusual and anti-scriptural?

131 posted on 07/03/2012 12:35:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Romulus; muawiyah; Teófilo; P-Marlowe

Really, guys, I’ve always sensed that you don’t know what protestants mean by Sola Scriptura.

Now I’m convinced of it, seeing the scriptures you have pulled out as examples of items that “disprove” sola scriptura.

The whole doctrine of “scripture only” is about RESPONSIBLE handling of the scripture.

Take this verse you cited, for example: “Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin,
yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.”

Do YOU believe that ANY Catholic who says “I feel it in my heart.” is spouting instructions straight from God??? Of course not. You would say to him, “That really means ______”.


137 posted on 07/03/2012 12:41:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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