Actually, we can take a pretty good guess.
which is a rather attractive option when you contrast:
Posted on 07/02/2012 6:30:14 AM PDT by Cronos
I want to thank Archbishop William E. Lori for reminding me once again why I'm an ex-Catholic ("Fight for freedom," June 27). With the so-called "Fortnight for Freedom," the church leadership is deliberately and cynically using a mixture of patriotism and religion in a blatant and manipulative attempt to influence the outcome of the upcoming elections.
I can't seem to recall any recent news about Catholic churches being bombed in the United States or attempts to bar American Catholics from attending mass. I do know that the Catholic Church has been using its "religious freedom" for decades to aid and abet child abusers, to recently attack nuns in the United States who are at the forefront of what used to be one of the church's primary missions to aid and comfort the poor and needy, and that the American church has over the past few decades formed an alliance with some of the most strident and politically active right-wing religious groups in the U.S. Archbishop Lori even received an award in May from a coalition of some of those groups.
I am proud to be an American, and I am a strong supporter of the Bill of Rights. I support freedom of religion, and I support freedom from religion. And, at this moment in time, I am also very proud and happy to be an ex-Catholic.
Sandy Covahey, Baltimore
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
Championing individuals who claim to speak revelation from God is not a good way to share messages from Heaven.
Unless and until the Church rules on Barrett, I will consider him a false prophet and will call upon true believers in the Faith to do the same.
Idiots who claim to speak for God usually speak for themselves, or for some other master...
“So whose interpretaton of the prophecies are we to accept?
What is this now?
No YOPIOS but YOPIOP?
How do you know that you’re interpreting it correctly? The Catholic church teaches against one’s own personal interpretation of Scripture. How then, can one’s own personal interpretation of prophecy be acceptable?”
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Thanks metmom, the answer is the Church, God gave the Church the gift to interpret Scripture. Look to her interpretation, her teaching on meaning of Scripture. Private Interpretation of Scripture, PIOS is wrong, look
at it’s fruit.
You can start with a Catholic Bible, read the footnotes
on difficult verses, then you’ll better understand why
the Church teaches what she does.
Your second question, prophecy (private revelation) helps one better understand God’s plan, it doesn’t change it. It’s whether you choose to believe private revelation or not, I wish you would. When a message goes against Church teaching, there’s your way to know. It doesn’t happen very often. God isn’t silent, He knows what He wants to say.
Pride makes people dismiss the prophetic, they shouldn’t.
The same has happened with approved messages, one example, the messages of Divine Mercy. Thank Pope John Paul II for bringing them up for examination again.
God bless you,
Appreciate the kudos, but there really is only One...
Luke 9:35...
Taking you at your word that you are indeed Catholic you have a duty to not foster and propagate unsubstantiated private revelation, but rather to take it to your pastor and bishop so that the Church can assess its merits. It alone has been entrusted by Jesus with a teaching authority.
Correct. We have a duty not to stray off like lambs into the wilderness. Wildly preaching the newness of revelation is compelling, to be sure, but can we be sure that it is of God? That is why private revelation is held separate from the Deposit of the Faith, and why it is not held true until judged true.
“Championing individuals who claim to speak revelation from God is not a good way to share messages from Heaven.
Unless and until the Church rules on Barrett, I will consider him a false prophet and will call upon true believers in the Faith to do the same.
Idiots who claim to speak for God usually speak for themselves, or for some other master”...
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The Church can’t possibly investigate every messages
from Heaven and as I said even if they could, they must
wait for the divine events stated in the present yet to be approved messages to take place. They haven’t taken place yet but they are “soon”, trust God.
They must be close...Heaven keeps repeating what is ahead and more urgently every day. Another reason for repeating His plan, God knows our prideful human nature.
You NEVER replied and I posted it again, where is the
error in the paragraph excerpt in the message to Kevin
Barrett from Our Lord? You sound like the Protestants here.
Catholics can’t confirm their disbelief of Catholic teaching and their rejection of prophecy.
I wish you the best, no hard feelings. Many people dismiss the current messages from Heaven.
Well, keep in mind the early believers were pretty excited about Jesus coming back too. It took a little time for it to settle in that this was for the long haul.
And then everybody loves a good detective novel, so deciphering the Daniel-Revelation code for some of these folks becomes an obsession. I’ve seen it.
Others of course get into the fray because there’s money to be made cashing in on people’s curiosity and concern about the future.
But bottom line, I can’t think of anything more natural than for the people who most love Jesus to most desire his return and the blessings of his kingdom that will follow. My wife bugs me about it all the time. She has a real problem with all the pain in the world, and looks to Jesus to come and end the foolishness we put ourselves through.
BTW, Harold Camping has repented publically of his repeated errors concerning the matter. I give him a lot of credit for that, but really it should have happened right after his first miss. I’ve always told people, look, how are we goning to know better than Jesus did whan his return was going to happen. If he didn’t know, how do ya think we’re gonna know? And another thing. He told us he was coming back when no one would be looking for it. Ipso facto, if we’re all looking for it right now, it’s pretty unlikely to happen right now.
I like what DL Moody once said. Somebody asked him, what would you do today if you knew for sure Jesus was coming tomorrow. His answer, IIRC, was “plant a tree,” by which I think he meant, he wouldn’t do anything different than what he was already doing. If we are living in true faith of the Son of God, and our sins have been washed clean by his blood, and we have his Spirit, what would we need to do different?
Peace,
SR
“Correct. We have a duty not to stray off like lambs into the wilderness. WILDLY PREACHING the newness of revelation is compelling, to be sure, but can we be sure that it is of God? That is why private revelation is held separate from the Deposit of the Faith, and WHY IT IS NOT HELD TRUE UNTIL
JUDGED TRUE.”
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Third time, what was “wildly” preached in the message
excerpt given to Kevin Barrett from Our Lord?
State the error, name it?
Kevin’s website: http://hearhisheart.wordpress.com/
Oh hear Me, My people. Why do you listen to the hirelings and false teachers and prophets? Did I not say in My word that not all that say to me ‘Lord’ ‘Lord’ shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, save those that DO the will of the Father who is in heaven? Then why do you still go about doing your own will and tell yourselves that you are My bride? My people, you have been lied to by the enemy of your soul. Seek Me in these things. Surely I will reveal My truth to you. I love you, My dear children, and it is My desire that each of you share My throne with Me. But unfortunately only a remnant shall overcome. For too many have listened to the lies told by the FALSE shepherds and prophets. They speak of how you each are already cleansed and adorned in righteousness simply by your BELIEF on My name. These are all lies, My people. For does not My word say that he who DOES righteousness is righteous? Yes, My people, you are made righteous by your faith in Me, but it is FULLFILLED BY YOUR OBEDIENCE to My voice. IT IS NOT IMPUTED TO YOU BY A ONE-TIME CONFESSION OF MY NAME. Oh, My people, you have been lied to. Read My word for yourselves. Why listen to those that fatten themselves by fleecing My sheep? I have not sent many of the shepherds that are out there. They have sent themselves for their own glory and their own profit. Oh, My people, did I not say in My word to judge them by their fruit? Then where is the fruit, My people? Oh, but those that have itching ears care not about the fruit. They want to be told all is well and that they shall PROSPER if they simply believe on My name and My promises. Lies, lies, lies, I tell you.
Your last sentence Mark, repeating the same but leaving out, I’ll say again, we can believe OR disbelieve private revelation, that includes yet to be approved private revelation not only approved private revelation. It’s the CONDEMNED PR we are to avoid.
“You want us to point out lies to you? OK. Here you go. This one for a start; the same one Satan tempted Eve with; “ You shall be as gods.....”
I love you, My dear children, and it is My desire that each of you share My THRONE with Me.
Right from the pit. God shares His glory with no other.
It is a lie that righteousness isn’t IMPUTED BY FAITH. It most certainly is.”
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Post the entire message you took the prophetic sentence from metmom.
It could be Mary speaking, she is Queen of Heaven but the
capital My and Me, shows it most likely Our Lord or God the Father speaking.
See why the lie of “Faith Alone” creeps destructively
into every area of Protestant belief. Change on one
heresy, this will help before the Great Warning.
Okay, I’ll settle (I don’t want to) for praying you’ll recall when the time comes.
Spiritual discernment makes people dismiss the false prophets..
The same has happened with approved messages, one example, the messages of Divine Mercy. Thank Pope John Paul II for bringing them up for examination again
Apples and oranges. This is not an approved message so the comparison is not valid.
And neither is the message.
There are at least four things that trouble me about these "revelations":
1) He makes a specific about those who call themselves the "Bride of Christ" (aka the Catholic church).
2) The speak about endlessly about a remnant and end times, all very unCatholic themes.
3) He uses archaic English grammar and word choice to sound scriptural. In all private revelations I have read the communication was in the vernacular of the recipient and was in plain and simple language.
4) There seems to be a never ending stream of revelations suitable to meet his blog requirements (his blog contain commercial solicitations).
The history of the world is full of cases where one individual would say "God speaks to me and I will tell you what He says, in exchange for something I desire. Eventually, the seer takes the position of speaking on behalf of and with the authority of God at all times. Christianity has been significantly different fro all of the other shams. Kevin appears to me to be a struggling to break into the cult industry in a leadership position.
Peace be with you
I trust God. I don't trust Barrett, and given your championing of him, I don't trust your messages either. If a private revelation is not approved by the Church, then we are not to believe others. The Church must investigate every claim of Divine communication. That is part of their very existence. If you as a Catholic do not know that, I would be very curious to know the other gaps in knowledge.
You NEVER replied and I posted it again, where is the error in the paragraph excerpt in the message to Kevin Barrett from Our Lord? You sound like the Protestants here. Catholics can’t confirm their disbelief of Catholic teaching and their rejection of prophecy.
I do not need to go any further than what I stated: that the claim of Divine prophecy and communication unsubstantiated is to be rejected by all Catholics. It does not matter the coincidence of certain aspects - a stopped clock is correct twice per day.
I wish you the best, no hard feelings. Many people dismiss the current messages from Heaven.
I don't know that they are from Heaven. When a Bishop of the Church, or even better a Council of Bishops, declare that it is true, then I will defer to their judgement. Until then, I consider Barrett no different than, for example, Joseph Smith.
No. Jesus is NOT the Father, but he IS Almighty God in the flesh. Just as the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father, YET they are all ONE God. The problem, I believe, is trying to explain something that is unfathomable for our finite minds. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of Scripture to state certain things using words people understood but those words express a concept that can not be fully understood by human logic.
So, it boils down to what I said earlier...who or what IS Jesus? Is He a man, a god, an angel or some other creation? Scripture says there is NO other god but the LORD God. So that means Jesus is not "a" god. Scripture says that angels are created beings - which John 1:3 says Jesus created, so He did not create Himself. Jesus is not just a man because Scripture says ALL men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Also, a mere man could not be from everlasting as Scripture says Jesus is. As to Jesus being some "other" creation, there is NO Scripture that defines Him that way. There is ALL creation and there is the Creator of it, nothing in between. Either Jesus IS God in the flesh as Scripture says numerous times He is or Scripture is wrong. If that is the case, then our faith is based upon nothing, we are dead in our sins and without hope in this world. So, who do YOU say Jesus is?
I copied and pasted from YOUR post.
It’s there for all to see and I am not performing for you on demand. I do not answer TO you.
If you can’t even be sure abut what is being talked about in the prophecy, how in the name of common sense can you expect ANYONE to take these prophecies seriously? Nobody can when nobody is even sure what they’re about.
It was what created the urgency to write the New Testament. The lunacy of the 990's surpassed even the lunacy approaching the year 2000.
But bottom line, I can’t think of anything more natural than for the people who most love Jesus to most desire his return and the blessings of his kingdom that will follow. My wife bugs me about it all the time. She has a real problem with all the pain in the world, and looks to Jesus to come and end the foolishness we put ourselves through.
I think that we're in it for the long haul, too. I live my life as if my children and grandchildren will have children and grandchildren.
You have some wisdom about you, sir.
I need go no further than state the manner of the claim of the message. It ain't Catholic until it has been declared Catholic. False visions of Jesus in the frying pan and magic Mary messages in the mind don't cut it. I don't care if the message somewhat aligns with the Faith at least on the surface. The enemy prowls about like a lion, seeking whom he may devour. His wiles are beyond most men - without Christ to buttress them.
Your last sentence Mark, repeating the same but leaving out, I’ll say again, we can believe OR disbelieve private revelation, that includes yet to be approved private revelation not only approved private revelation. It’s the CONDEMNED PR we are to avoid.
Negative. We are to reject all private revelation until it has been approved by the Church.
In July of 2011 the Lord began to give me warnings for His people to shake them awake so that they may prepare themselves (spiritually) for the days ahead and to enter His (spiritual) ark of rest. In response to that charge, I have begun this blog. “
“Quite frankly I’ve never understood the entire “Rapture” piece (the Harold Camping version, not the Blondie version — the blondie version I get :) — why get so obsessed about what’s going to happen in the end-times? Be good, follow God and don’t worry about tomorrow.
I also find these guys highly amusing, like Jerry Duplantis (youtube Jerry Duplantis visits heaven!) — it’s funny to watch”....
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Cronos, you shared from Kevin’s blog, well here is an excerpt from a message given to Kevin about the “pre-trib
rapture.” Seee...Kevin’s messages aren’t light, they
are teaching messages from Our Lord. He is showing
Protestants the errors in their beliefs. Jesus is preparing non-Catholics to accept the faith.
Read further, the “time of knowing” and “My invitation” are the Great Warning, sometimes called the “illumination of conscience”..Rev 6:15-17. Protestants are familiar with it in prophecy, referred to as the “awakening.”
message to Kevin Barrett
May 3, 2012
http://www.hearhisheart.wordpress.com/
Hear My warnings, little ones. This all shall come upon the earth very soon. Many have been deceived into believing the “PRE-TRIB RAPTURE” LIE. They shall be greatly disappointed as they did not prepare themselves for the tribulation and instead put their hope in lies. Oh, My people, why? Why do you still believe the lies of the devil? Soon and very soon all will know his lies and how they all have been deceived. But at that TIME OF KNOWING, it will be too late for the ones deceived. But know this, My people, I am raising up My beautiful bride to be shown to the nations and she shall not be deceived as she will only cleave to her lover and bridegroom. Will you accept MY INVITATION to be part of My bride? I love you, My people, and do not desire that any of you should perish. But those that do not abandon themselves to Me shall be swept up in the darkness that shall cover the earth.
Actually, we can take a pretty good guess.
which is a rather attractive option when you contrast:
Third time, what was “wildly” preached in the message excerpt given to Kevin Barrett from Our Lord? State the error, name it?
“I need go no further than state the manner of the claim of the message. It ain’t Catholic until it has been declared Catholic. False visions of Jesus in the frying pan and magic Mary messages in the mind don’t cut it. I don’t care if the message SOMEWHAT ALIGNS with the Faith at least on the surface. The enemy prowls about like a lion, seeking whom he may devour. His wiles are beyond most men - without Christ to buttress them.”
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I NEVER said the message was to a Catholic messenger. It is
a Protestant message with a Catholic Truth explained in it
by Our Lord.
Sorry, a weak excuse first to avoid my question of show exactly where the error is in Kevin’s message? And next, you’re giving in slightly, your words in CAPS. I am not smiling at you saying “somewhat aligns” with the faith. I thought it was clear, Jesus repeats Himself on this to instruct, we have to be a “doer” of righteousness. That’s Catholic, cancels Luther’s false “Faith Alone.”
The point again, the Protestants here will not answer to
three Scripture verses that boldly and absolutely say “Faith Alone” is a lie. So, share another means, a current prophecy given to Protestants to help them see.
From Jesus Himself....
may the Two Hearts J+M keep you safe,
I don't think this is the first time it has been said here but for there to be an "Everlasting Father", there must be an Everlasting Son.
I understand what you’re saying but don’t see the logic of it.
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