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To: count-your-change
Are you saying Jesus is the Father?

No. Jesus is NOT the Father, but he IS Almighty God in the flesh. Just as the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father, YET they are all ONE God. The problem, I believe, is trying to explain something that is unfathomable for our finite minds. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of Scripture to state certain things using words people understood but those words express a concept that can not be fully understood by human logic.

So, it boils down to what I said earlier...who or what IS Jesus? Is He a man, a god, an angel or some other creation? Scripture says there is NO other god but the LORD God. So that means Jesus is not "a" god. Scripture says that angels are created beings - which John 1:3 says Jesus created, so He did not create Himself. Jesus is not just a man because Scripture says ALL men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Also, a mere man could not be from everlasting as Scripture says Jesus is. As to Jesus being some "other" creation, there is NO Scripture that defines Him that way. There is ALL creation and there is the Creator of it, nothing in between. Either Jesus IS God in the flesh as Scripture says numerous times He is or Scripture is wrong. If that is the case, then our faith is based upon nothing, we are dead in our sins and without hope in this world. So, who do YOU say Jesus is?

511 posted on 07/18/2012 4:53:33 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Paul said:

“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth , there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1 Cor. 8:5,6)

Paul here calls God, the Father, the origin and Jesus,the Son, the channel of all things.

Who do I say Jesus is? I agree with Paul.

How about you?


523 posted on 07/18/2012 6:13:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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