It's a cult

Who is going to decide what religion is best? You?

No,...God decides and has provided and has communicated how to worship Him. It is up to every human being with cognition and accountability to decide for themselves if they will accept what He has provided in order to worship Him by His protocol.

Those who reject His protocol simply are worshiping a counterfeit substitute for the real thing.

101 posted on 10/30/2011 4:23:00 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)

To: annieokie; All

Do all mormans wear them, or just their Special Elite?

Just the LATTER.

It is a REQUIREMENT to gain a Temple Recommend; without which a MORMON cannot expect to receive the highest rewards of their chosen religion.

Way less than half of MORMONs attain this.

Any of you MORMONs in this thread have a TR??

102 posted on 10/30/2011 4:25:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: annieokie; All

Evidence would indicate that Anthony Weiner is NOT a MORMON with a valid Temple Recommend.

103 posted on 10/30/2011 4:27:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

I have no idea whether there's a good argument for calling Mormonism a cult or not. Who cares?

Do you care if there is 'evidence' for calling NON-mormons Apostates and Whores of Babylon?

104 posted on 10/30/2011 4:29:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Yashcheritsiy

The Mormonism thing is one of those thing where people with discernment understand the point, those without it don’t.

The question then becomes: How do we get people with discernment to vote?

105 posted on 10/30/2011 4:30:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Yashcheritsiy

Or...

How do we get people with discernment, period?!

106 posted on 10/30/2011 4:31:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: patriot preacher; delacoert

It isn’t the fact that he’s a Mormon that bothers me the most. Sure, I’m a Baptist, and I believe the Mormons are NOT a valid form of Christianity, but are aberrant, unbiblical in many of their practices and doctrines, and are in many ways cultic. But the Mormons are NOT violent as a religion. They are not given to “brainwashing,” to kidnapping, to other kinds of desperate or drastic “cultish” behaviors. In fact, Mormons are generally very patriotic, very Conservative Americans. It fascinates me that a number of the most prominent Mormons, like Harry Reid, John Huntsman and Mitt Romney, are actually much more Liberal than most of their fellow Mormon co-religionists. But, I digress. We are not electing a national Pastor. We do not have a Federal Church (see the 1st Amendment), and the President in no way should serve as our national priest or confessor.

How often in the last 4+ yrs have I seen the "we are not electing a national Pastor" mantra? (Way too often) What's worse is to see professing Christians utter it.

Well, I've seen it often enough to write the following in the past; which I repeat:

Question at hand: Are we voting for a 'pastor-in-chief' or commander-in-chief?
Principle involved: This question addresses not only the role and identity of the POTUS, but the perceived 'self' identity of the candidate. If a given candidate thinks he's a 'god' or 'would-be' god, he exposes himself as deceived on one of the most basic elemental identity issues you can think of.

If a candidate doesn't even know who he is fundamentally, how do we know similar distortions won't effect his judgment? Besides, if he inwardly lauds himself as 'divine,' why would we want to reinforce such an idolater who steals glory from the One True God?

A Related Question, but from a distinct angle: Is a POTUS a 'minister' of sorts?

Apparently, Patriot Preacher might say 'no.'

I say 'yes,' and here's why:

Even non-religious people tend to at times honor the Bible. The Biblical record shows that true successful leadership in public office is done by those who fear the TRUE Lord -- not by some low-level Mormon god who is part of a great number of Mormon gods...

And these Biblical leaders did not -- or were not to -- worship false gods/idols. The OT is replete w/ such examples. The Israelites had secular kings, not "pastors in chief." But that didn't mean that these kings' ministrations were any less a "ministry." Romans 13 makes it clear that public office is also a "ministry." Those who contend against this are openly militating against this Scripture.

It doesn't mean that public officeholders administrate in a parochial way; it just means that public office is a "ministry of service" like the soup kitchen down the street.

History (biblical & otherwise) shows that the more pagan or counterfeit god that a leader adheres to, the more trouble that leader's "exhaust" settles on the people-at-large. Kings & presidents need all the grace, mercy, & guidance possible, since God gets more credit for preserving & directing leaders than we care to give Him credit for. Therefore, one who worships a false god & has no true relationship w/the living God is stifling access to God's resources; & a nation may suffer for that.

107 posted on 10/30/2011 4:32:13 AM PDT by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)

I heard it has something to do with symbols on them.

GOOD Mormons are Temple Worthy - they pass this test EVERY year:

Temple Recommend Questions

1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

108 posted on 10/30/2011 4:34:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Lee N. Field

109 posted on 10/30/2011 4:34:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: hinckley buzzard

What does any of this bullshit have to do with his qualifications to be president?

I guess you feel that what a person BELIEVES about life will NOT affect what they DO in life; eh?

110 posted on 10/30/2011 4:36:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: hinckley buzzard

I'll give her one thing though--she and her ilk personify every nasty stereotype of the christian right that the media have worked so hard to spread.

EVERY?

111 posted on 10/30/2011 4:37:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

"Dont Christians spend money sending out missionaries across the earth to tell people of other religions that their faith is wrong?"

No. They don't have to discuss the thinking of others. We are commanded by the Great Commission to minister the Good News about Jesus Christ to the rest of the world. The former method is that the Adversary, while he later is through faith in Christ.

112 posted on 10/30/2011 4:37:57 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)

To: hinckley buzzard

I'll give her one thing though--she and her ilk personify every nasty stereotype of the christian right that the media have worked so hard to spread.

The christian right happens to CARE about what happens to a person's SOUL after death.

They rely on the BIBLE to give information about that experience.

MORMONism teachs something contrary to the BIBLE.

The christian right is showing that difference.

Other folks are REALLY upset about that.

The christian right is sorry that they are.

The christian right's mission statement:

Acts 17:18-19
18. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
19. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

1 Corinthians 4:17
For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

1 Corinthians 11:2
2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.

Ephesians 4:14-15
14. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
15. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

113 posted on 10/30/2011 4:41:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: hinckley buzzard

What kind of perverts are you people?

Good Question!!

Mormon Church Eliminates Naked Touching from Secret Temple Rituals

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_templechanges.html#pub_1344562872

114 posted on 10/30/2011 4:44:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: humblegunner

115 posted on 10/30/2011 4:46:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

And for you NON-mormons...

116 posted on 10/30/2011 4:48:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: nolongerademocrat

However, I can vote for people who identify themselves as Christians. Thank YOU for your support!

117 posted on 10/30/2011 4:51:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Do you care if there is 'evidence' for calling NON-mormons Apostates and Whores of Babylon?

No. I might if I were being asked to vote for a "Christian Religion Czar," which thankfully we don't have in this country. But not when I'm voting for a President. Besides, show me where Mitt Romney ever said that.

As far as I'm concerned, Romney's Mormonism is completely irrelevant to the political issues and challenges facing our great and dying country.

I won't vote for him for President, and I wouldn't even if he wasn't a Mormon.

118 posted on 10/30/2011 4:51:41 AM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)

But I do have my line in the sand

NOW you've done it!

Certain folks will now call YOU a BIGOT: a RELIGIOUS one at THAT!

119 posted on 10/30/2011 4:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Those who think the issue is foolish are likely to think the same way Israel will think, as they sign the Covenant with the AntiChrist, ushering in the Great Tribulation. It will seem so reasonable to those acting independently of God and His provision, law, and authority,

120 posted on 10/30/2011 4:52:52 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)

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