I don't know that we teach that...
Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
There must be a difference in the Greek, for we have many sheep/goat verses in the NT.
The way I read the Book; there ain't NOBODY nowhere yet!
What do we need a RAPTURE for and a final JUDGEment for if it's a done deal already?
I don't know that we teach that...
I do not have a girl’s name.
Are you a girl? Or are you a guy with a girl’s name.
My name is asexual. It describes a feeling not a sex.
You can take it anyway you want. Or you can ask me. I’m not hiding anything.
He had flesh. He ate, he pooped.
Matter, Stuff, was rendered able to enshrine the presence of God bodily. Jesus was God made visible. Had the technology existed, one could have taken a photograph -- of "God's bodikins"!
That being so, how could it be wrong to look at an image of him and sigh or weep as one looks at an image of one's beloved? My beloved condescended to provide me with an appearance to sigh and weep over.
Lewis puts it nicely. Before Jesus we had Βιος, the Bios life of Biology. Now some other life is offered, Ζωη, Zoe, REAL life at last! He came that we might have it abundantly.
And he came by the power of the Holy Spirit. And in that Spirit our old moribund life, Βιος, dies and HIS life, Ζωη, is transplanted into us.
For reasons He has not shared with me, our Father has ordained that star differs from star in glory. But all are stars.
So some members of his body are obvious in their splendor, but all are members, all have drunk of the same Spirit -- HIS Spirit.
It is His Spirit. Sharing in it,we share in His work. The gift is not merely that we cling to His hem and thus are swept into glory -- though that's entirely true. A higher glory is granted, that by His Grace and in His Spirit we may share in His Work!
So, as He is the premier Intercessor, He shares with the blessed and holy, with you and me who are blessed and holy by His designation, his intercessory work.
That, in a nutshell, is what the Incarnation has to do with the intercession of the saints.
The ark is a type of Christ.. the entire OT points to Christ..not his momma ...
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You are right.
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA
He had flesh. He ate, he pooped.
Matter, Stuff, was rendered able to enshrine the presence of God bodily. Jesus was God made visible. Had the technology existed, one could have taken a photograph -- of "God's bodikins"!
That being so, how could it be wrong to look at an image of him and sigh or weep as one looks at an image of one's beloved? My beloved condescended to provide me with an appearance to sigh and weep over.
Lewis puts it nicely. Before Jesus we had Βιος, the Bios life of Biology. Now some other life is offered, Ζωη, Zoe, REAL life at last! He came that we might have it abundantly.
And he came by the power of the Holy Spirit. And in that Spirit our old moribund life, Βιος, dies and HIS life, Ζωη, is transplanted into us.
For reasons He has not shared with me, our Father has ordained that star differs from star in glory. But all are stars.
So some members of his body are obvious in their splendor, but all are members, all have drunk of the same Spirit -- HIS Spirit.
It is His Spirit. Sharing in it,we share in His work. The gift is not merely that we cling to His hem and thus are swept into glory -- though that's entirely true. A higher glory is granted, that by His Grace and in His Spirit we may share in His Work!
So, as He is the premier Intercessor, He shares with the blessed and holy, with you and me who are blessed and holy by His designation, his intercessory work.
That, in a nutshell, is what the Incarnation has to do with the intercession of the saints.
But, you can't go wrong praying to the Father. Stick with it. He loves you.
I wonder if in the time between Moses and our Lord there hadn’t been advances in goat and sheep breeding. Once you’ve seen a barbados hair sheep, you can imagine how goats and sheep might have been pretty interchangeable back at the time of the Exodus.
I recall metmom asking for prayers before.
I thouht I would share on this thread with some many believers.
What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-XX0u4mnUg&feature=related
I wonder if consultations mean talking about your problems and asking for prayers??
It’s not intercessory prayer, but what has been lost is the Communion of Saints.
“God of the living... Alive in Christ.. Cloud of witnesses” and so on. Gone.
It got lost among some protestants somehow somewhere along the way to today.
Noticed that this needed another comment. The Ark of the Covenant was the ONLY way the Jewish people had to relate to Jehovah. It contains the the tablets that God gave to Moses of the commandments, Aaron's Rod and a golden pot of manna. ALL were representative of God's relationship and leading of the people. The Ark was carried by the Priests - only - ahead of the advancing people through Sinai, as it was God leading his people. God even spoke to Moses from between the two cherubim on the Ark's cover (Exodus 25:22). It was always carefully concealed from view (even from the eyes of the priests) wrapped with a veil of a blue cloth and animal skins as it was carried before them. No one could ever "see" God and live, which is why it was covered like this. It was carried in front of them in all the battles. It was the "power" of God that led them, fed them and defeated their enemies.
When they built the first Temple, the Ark was placed in the Holy of Holies and a three foot thick curtain shielded it from all view, with the exception of the High Priest who would enter once a year at The Day of Atonement. It was ALWAYS the representation of Jehovah. It did not, of course, contain or carry him, but was the way the people could relate to him with something tangible. It represented God to the people and was why the care was taken with who could carry it, touch it, see it and offer sacrifice upon the top of it called the Mercy Seat.
It certainly was a foreshadow of Jesus, who IS Jehovah INCARNATE. By his one-time sacrifice, the veil was torn, he was accessible to all, he could be seen and touched - without those who did perishing before his presence. God becoming flesh removed the barrier between us and now there is no more offering for sin because our sins are no longer covered, but removed from us, Jesus is our mediator with God the Father. Where the Ark was once the ONLY way of accessing the forgiveness of God, Jesus is the fulfillment of the whole purpose of the Ark of the Covenant - the presence and forgiveness of God. Through Christ we have been redeemed and justified and we are found IN Christ clothed in HIS righteousness.
I certainly think one could use the Ark of the Covenant as a simple comparison with Mary. The Ark carried the presence of God and she bore within her the incarnate God, but I think it is incorrect to say she was the fulfillment of what the Ark of the Covenant represented.
I certainly think one could use the Ark of the Covenant as a simple comparison with Mary. The Ark carried the presence of God and she bore within her the incarnate God, but I think it is incorrect to say she was the fulfillment of what the Ark of the Covenant represented.
I think we agree on the typology and your statement.
There is no Incarnate Word as Christians believe without this birth, without the mother.
The Incarnation cannot be separated from the birth and therefore the mother. It is one event.
I may not be describing my thoughts precisely. Mother and Child describe, portray, ARE, the Incarnation. And without this, this single event as one whole, no Christ, no Christianity according to our faith.
Some protestants may see this as two subjects: BIG Mary, little christ. I see it as one subject: The Incarnation.
So where do you think Jesus placed all those Old Testament saints when he "led captivity captive" at his resurrection? All those who have died under grace are with him in Heaven right now. Paul said, "Absent from the body, present with the Lord." (I Cor. 5:8) The reason for the "Rapture" is the Bride of Christ (the church) is taken up out of the wrath of the Tribulation - the "Time of Jacob's Trouble". Those who are in Christ, by grace through faith, and who are alive when he comes will, with the bodies of the glorified saints, rise up to meet him in the air, given glorified bodies and so we shall ever be with the Lord. (I Thess. 4:13-18.
So you ask what need there is in a Rapture or a Final Judgment? The answer is that those who are saved have been judged already and, because we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ through his blood, we are glorified with those that have already "fallen asleep" in Christ. Those who are NOT in Christ, will face the Final Judgment and are already standing condemned because they did not believe in Christ (John 3:18)
In post 560, she asked for prayers.
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