Posted on 07/14/2011 2:54:04 PM PDT by Colofornian
ROGERS, Ark. -- For more than 150 years, an important piece of Arkansas and American history has been relegated to obscurity.
In early 1857, a wagon train left Northwest Arkansas and headed west, bound for California.
The Francher-Baker train was made up of 14 large Arkansas families, about 800 cattle and around 30 wagons.
"They were en route to California for a better life and little did they know that Brigham Young had declared war on the United States two weeks before they entered the Salt Lake Valley," said Phil Bolinger, with the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation.
So without knowing tensions were running high between the U.S. government and Brigham Young, the leader of the Chuch of Latter-Day Saints (also known as the Mormon Church), the families decided to camp in southwest Utah, in a place called Mountain Meadows.
For most of the families, it would be their final resting place.
"They were attacked by a few indians, but mainly Mormon militia men," Bolinger said.
"Under one order -- the order was 'do your duty' -- each man killed his man, in other words, point-blank, execution-style murder. And then the women and children weren't so lucky. They were mainly bludgeoned to death with rocks or gun stocks," Bolinger said.
On September 11, 1857, 121 men, women and children were murdered. Only 17 small children, all under the age of 6, were spared. Two years later, the orphans were reunited with relatives in Arkansas.
"Everyone who lived in Northwest Arkansas at that time, had some blood relatives that were members of this wagon train," said Scott Fancher, a descendant who has 27 relatives who died that day.
For years the Mormon church denied allegations of involvement and blamed local Native Americans for the slaughter.
Descedents of the victims have always wanted the church to own up and have wanted to get federal protection for the massacre site.
In the last 10 years, there has been movies and media coverage and trips to washington to fight for the site of the massacre to become a national historic landmark, and on July 2, it did.
"Finally we have some serious, bonafied, high order federal protection for the site to protect it from development or encroachment. We also have the recognition of the site as a nationally significant historic site," Fancher said.
Francher and Bolinger say the massacre was America's first 9/11.
"Interestingly enough, it was also an act of religious extremism, and that's another sort of eerie parallel between that and are more recent 9/11. But in both cases, religious extremists did basically horrible things to basically innocent people," Fancher said.
But in this case, more than a hundred years later, both sides have been able to reconcile.
"We're 150 years-plus into this story, and it's taken that long for the players to kind of meet in the middle and agree to be civil and both agree we won't get everything that we want but we get something better for everyone that's involved," Fancher said.
The national landmark dedication ceremony will be held in Utah at the site of the Mountain Meadows massacre on September 11.
You’ve REALLY drunk the koolaide of the LDS, Inc. revisionist history lessons!
They had been chased from New York to Ohio to Missouri to Illinois and then finally to Utah.
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actually no
Joey Smith said his mormon gods wanted them to move out to Ohio from NY so they did, a bit at a time...
Of course Joey Smith had been one step ahead of the law in NY...
In Kirkland OH Joey Smith ran a bank scam and also printed worthless $3 bills...again the run for his “life”...he was convicted and charged a $1000 fine that he never paid...
Onto Missouri where the mormons demanded the land of the earlier settlers claiming that they had a right to it because their mormon gods had given it to them...that didnt sit well with the MO folks...nor did stealing their wives, daughters, and possesssions and threatening the innocent farmers...and murdered settlers and storekeepers in Gallitin..
Joey Smith went around Missouri pointing out where the Garden of Eden had been, where the mormon Adam had his alter and sacrificed to the mormon gods etc...
He claimed that they were to build a temple on Temple Lot in Jackson County MO as the place the Mormons would gather in the last days...but although some LDS own it to this day, they are RLDS and not the polygamymous bunch that went onto Salt Lake City...and no “temple” was ever built there...so much for owning that lot forever...
The 1st exerminastion order was given by the Mormons against the Gov and the Missourians because they said beat it tyoure not stealing own land....Oh dear...
Well many of Joey Smiths followers went with him to IL but some stayed, were never killed, settled down anhd obeyed the law and got on famously and successful ..Oh noez they were not “exterminated” AT ALL...
Onto IL where Joey Smith was given a whole lot of land free and clear in Commerce, and changed the name to Nauvoo...the land gift had been meant to be handed out to Joey Smiths foollowers but Joey Smith made them pay HIM for it...keeping the biggest and best for himself...
In Nauvoo Joey Smith propmtly crowned himself “king of the world, made himself a Lt General of his army and wore a fancy uniform struting around and striking poses with a sword as he imagined Napoleon would have done...made himself the mayor, passed ordinances that favored him and his hencemen, improved on his personal army of vigilantes called Avenging Angels, Danites, until he had 5000 well armed well trained gang members and terrorists armed to the teeth...at that time the US Army had only 8000 soldiers...
Joey Smith petitioned Congress for permission to raise a 100,000 man army...now why did Joey smith NEED so many men ???
Joey Smith built a hotel and kept spare women there...he also propositioned any new unattacted girls who arrived in Nauvoo and threatened to compromise their reputations if they refused him ..When Emma objected to his cheatin ways he threatened her with bodily harm and death and wrote a phony doctrine about it rewarding himself at least 10 young virgins.....D&C 132...its still a good doctrine for the Mormons till this day...
There Joey Smith became a member of the Freemasons and rose to the highest level almost that same day..he betrayed his blood oaths by incorporating many of the secrets into his religious rituals, which are still used today in the mormon temples...later fellow Freemasons would kill him because of the blood oaths to kill anyone who betrayed them...
In May 1844 Joey Smith spoke in the town square and boasted that he was greater than Jesus...well he was greater I guess than he mormon jesus ...after all Joey himself had invented him...what creation is greater than the creator ???
But Joey Smith was not really greater than the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible and THAT Jesus destroyed the upstart usurper Joey Smith a month later...
In June 1844 when Joey Smith attempted to force himself onto Mrs Law, she refused him and so typically he threatened to smeer her good name...she told her husband, William Law...now it just so happened that William Law already knew about Joey Smith and all his philandering ways and so he printed a newspaper exposing Joey Smiths aduterous activitiesw ith married women and 14 year old children...
Joey Smith reacted in a more than slight overkill way...typical of the aggressive abusive bully...he called out his 5000 army and closed the town and declared martial law...he marched on the private newspaper office, broke up the printinbg press and burned down the building causing William Law to fled for help outside the town
The Gov sent an order to arrest Joey Smith for inciting a riot etc...Joey Smith as usual fled...Ho9wever Emma Hale sent a message asking him to come back...he did so...must have been a dozy of a note because he had never cared what Emma thought before...
Whether the note was for revenge or innocent, Joey Smith came back and was arrested and put in a building with some of his cronies where they drank wine and had guns smuggled to them foir a break...(Joey Smith was good at jail breaks) Howeever after Joey Smith shot and killed 3 men including hios own brother in the back, some others shot back...so much for the magic underwear that can stop bullets...
a couple of years before Joey Smith got himself killed in that gunfight, he wanted to move again, this time to Utah...Brigham Young hung around and waited for TWO MORE YEARS before setting out for Utah with most of the Mormons from Nauvoo...before they went they sold their “forever” mormon temple to ....the Catholics...at a great loss..
***While the Mormons were heavily persecuted,***
Here are three massacres done by mormons you missed.
Morrisites.
http://www.utahgothic.com/history/morrisites/morrisites%201.html
Bear River.
http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/american_indians/bearrivermassacre.html
Circleville.
http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/american_indians/circlevillemassacre.html
And I haven’t mentioned the attacks by the mormons on the Shepherd wagon train and the attack on Mltmore’s Train in which people were killed..
Those pages are 261-262 in my modern reprint copy of MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS by J P Dunn Jr.
***He claimed that they were to build a temple on Temple Lot in Jackson County MO as the place the Mormons would gather in the last days.***
This is still doctrine in the mormon church. I was visiting, one Sunday, in Farmington NM back in 1974. The class leader gave a talk about the “last days” when they would all return to Jackson County MO.
bttt
“All hysterics aside, according to this article, the Mormon’s shot the men and the Native American’s they convinced to help them, murdered the women and children.”
Nephi Johnson testified at the trial of John D Lee that ‘Mormons did most of the killing’.... even of the women and children. Nephi was in charge of some Indians, and more Mormons who were dressed as Indians. Their purpose was to dispatch of the women and children. And they did... all but 17 of the youngest children. Most of those killed at Mountain Meadows were women and children... about 80 out of 120.
That would make sense if every man had several wives and a slew of kids.
I’ve been reading that book that’s upthread. Fascinating, don’t know how much I believe because I’ve checked historic facts on several of this guy’s stories, either he was wrong or historical record was wrong. He was old when he related his memoirs. Memory can be faulty. He got names wrong but I do too.
He lived among the Mormon’s for awhile. He was not impressed. These are of course historical mormon’s not like mormon’s of today, just as the Catholics today aren’t near as brutal as some of the horrid things they did in the 1600’s.
He was with the Army after that and had to go to Meadow Massacre and bury the bones they could find. He also (supposedly) ended up getting one little girl and taking her to the army - one of the little survivors.
Anyway, the book is pretty incredible, I don’t believe anybody could have lived through all the tales he relates and survived.
bttt
Not really. You can’t really answer for someone else. Nice try, though.
- Mitt
HMmmm...
I can answer for myself though.
(I wuz that annoying kid in school that threw up his hand at every question.)
Then you are one, learned MORMON!!
I salute you.
They didn’t practice polygamy... but they didn’t practice birth control either.... hence lots of kids. I’d be interested in knowing what book you’re referring to with respect to Nephi Johnson.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean here “with respect to Nephi Johnson”.
The book is a free online book listed at post #63.
Truly fascinating book.
And yes, according to historical records, Brigham Young and his followers practiced polygamy.
This book is an account of the life of John Nelson. It’s so amazing, it’s hard for me to believe anyone could do so many things and have so many close calls in their life. I wonder if the old guy got a bit “windy” during his recount of the exploits of his years. :)
It’s 50 years on the trail in the American West. Again, post #63.
They were all funny replies, Elsie!
AMEN!!!
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