Posted on 06/13/2011 6:54:18 PM PDT by Gamecock
Wikipedia points out that AC’s dad was a pastor in a branch of the LDS and that Alice Cooper is now a born-again. Dunno how true it is, but it seems about right in the references
Thanks. Guess Circus magazine (yes I’m THAT old) was wrong.
***Did Adam’s sin not effect all “individuals”???***
Yup. Are you saying that Jesus’s death and resurrection saved all, in the manner that Adams sin condemned all?
Umm, what about the goats?
The righteous folks in the Bible are righteous because they had faith in Christ.
It’s in the Bible.
Bingo!
“The righteous folks in the Bible are righteous because they had faith in Christ.”
Not arguing that! I’m asking (hypothetically) where there is an example of God turning a righteous person to wickedness - to show the extent of His sovereignty. The reason I am asking this is to bring light to the fact that God hardens wicked people - those who have already chosen wickedness (ex. Rom 1.)and He doesn’t go about randomly hardening people. He does, infact “... hardens whomever he wills.” but, according to Romans and Thessalonians He chooses to do so only to those who have already made their choice and rejected the light they have.
It’s also in the Bible.
Then how can we be held responsible?
there really isn’t any other choice.
Same question.
Unless you are a Universalist.
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Oh! I see what you are saying.
Of course he doesn’t take his elect and harden them. But he does take the wicked and give them hearts of flesh, causes them to be reborn and thus, with a couple of other intermediary steps brought about by the Holy Spirit, makes the ungodly righteous.
Hardening the heart of the already unrighteous brings about the removal of all restraint that God had exerted on their miserable lives and exposes them for what they really are.
Know a lot about God's motives and heart, do you?
Would God take His elect and destroy their lives, kill their family, and let them rot from disease?
Would God take His elect and destroy their lives, kill their family, and let them rot from disease?
Ask Job.
My point exactly. The “Of course..” portion of his post irked me for assuming he knows what God will/will not do.
That’s not the same as hardening their heart, now is it?
However if He is willing to do that to the most righteous man on earth at the time, then I don't think you can claim you know whether He would harden the heart of the the elect.
I think you are confusing apples and oranges.
Trials are not the same as hardening.
And yes I can say He will not harden one of the elect.
Phil 1:6: And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”l
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,m neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
PINK? the raunchy singer?
If Calvins follow her...sign me up
Again--I did not say they are.
What I *did* say is that you cannot know what God will or will not do, nor can you know His motives. You cavalier use of the phrase "of course" indicates that you are on intimate terms with God to the point that you know what He will and will not do.
That is what I was trying to say.
The FIRST thing I see, after a long, long hiatus from the FR Religion forum, is this...
Thanks Lord for predestining this, I needed this chuckle just now, and thanks Gamecock!
>> If quotes from Pink, Spurgeon, Luther, Piper, and McArthur make up 90% of your Facebook statuses…you might be a Calvinist. <<
Pink?
“I’m coming out so you better get this party started”?
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