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One would think that the evidence provided by the actual fragments of the Book of the Dead used by Joseph Smith would have ended the debate long ago, but fraudulent Mormon apologetic groups like FARMS continue to fabricate ever more convoluted proofs.

Just for grins and giggles you can refer to:

  1. The Use of Egyptian Magical Papyri to Authenticate the Book of Abraham, Part 1
  2. The Use of Egyptian Magical Papyri to Authenticate the Book of Abraham, Part 2

and of course PD will provide his ever-so-useful <rolleyes> blast of nebulous links together with his poignant reminder that we would understand if we would just read with his same holy insight.

1 posted on 03/19/2011 9:47:19 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert

This is kinda old news. Read weeks ago that the leader has lost family members from Mormonomics over this.


2 posted on 03/19/2011 9:59:00 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: delacoert

Death blow? Truth will ultimately prevail. Interesting how the Internet already has tons of documentation of previous Death Blows and people still drinking kool-aid here, though.


5 posted on 03/19/2011 10:55:53 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: delacoert

Prove to me that Jesus rose from the dead. Until you do, Christianity is nothing more than a very, very large cult.


6 posted on 03/19/2011 11:02:12 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: delacoert
BIG TIME
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!


Of course . . . rationalizations abound in such cases.

as well as willful blindness.

8 posted on 03/19/2011 11:03:03 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: delacoert

The truth is that God’s plan ended (except in individual lives)-and future events (as lined out already in various books), with the Death, Ressurection of Christ, and the early spread of the Church by the Apostles. There is nothing to add-His plan is complete.

J.S.


13 posted on 03/20/2011 12:28:19 AM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: delacoert

It came from Joseph Smith... did anyone have a doubt?


15 posted on 03/20/2011 1:06:19 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: delacoert

It came from Joseph Smith... did anyone have a doubt?


16 posted on 03/20/2011 1:06:55 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: delacoert

Have you read “By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus” by Charles M. Larson?


21 posted on 03/20/2011 4:15:33 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: delacoert; Elsie
After closer examination, Smith also declared,

... with W. W. Phelps and Oliver Cowdery as scribes, I commenced the translation of some of the characters or hieroglyphics, and much to our joy found that one of the rolls contained the writings of Abraham, another the writings of Joseph of Egypt, etc. -- a more full account of which will appear in its place, as I proceed to examine or unfold them.[2]


Here's how they'll get out of it: "It was only one of the rolls that was the writings of Abraham. The stuff found in the Metropolitan Museum of Art was missing that particular roll."

Smith's usual MO was to go behind a curtain with the purported documents and "translate" them while others, on the other side of the curtain, would take dictation. He could have had his eyes sealed with putty and his head in a bag and the results would have been the same.
22 posted on 03/20/2011 4:38:12 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: delacoert

Oh! For a second I thought you were talking about the Sefer Yitzirah.


24 posted on 03/20/2011 5:20:38 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Paragon Defender

Call for LINKS!


26 posted on 03/20/2011 5:23:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: delacoert
Drink your Ovaltine...

31 posted on 03/20/2011 5:49:28 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: delacoert; All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their former Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, quote and straw man attack that. Almost without fail you will see examples of this following this post.

Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think. So again, seek the truth. They aren't providing it. Use your God-given brain and discernment.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


33 posted on 03/20/2011 7:26:35 AM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: delacoert

One would think that the evidence provided by the actual fragments of the Book of the Dead used by Joseph Smith would have ended the debate long ago.


And it would have. If it were actual proof to the contrary.

Old
Tired
Propaganda

By the anti-Mormons of the world.
Addressed at the links provided, just as always.

Nothing new from the anti-Gang. Just more “loving” attacks on the LDS Church from the obsessed and blind.


34 posted on 03/20/2011 7:30:23 AM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: delacoert

From the REAL papyrus of Abraham ...Verses 1-5

http://www.bookofabraham.com/boamathie/BOA_6.html

(I/1) [”Osiris, the god’s father], prophet of Amon-Re, King of the Gods, prophet of Min who slaughters his enemies, prophet of Khonsu, the [one who exercises] authority in Thebes,
(I/2) [. . .] . . . Hor, the justified, son of the similarly titled overseer of secrets and purifier of the god, Osorwer, the justified, born by the [housewife and sistrum-player of ]
(I/3) [Amon]-Re, Taikhibit, the justified! May your ba-spirit live among them, and may you be buried on the west [of Thebes].”
(I/4) [”O Anubis(?),51 . . .] justification(?).
(I/5) [May you give to him] a good and splendid burial on the west of Thebes as on the mountains of Ma[nu](?).”
[Osiris shall be towed in]to the great lake of Khonsu,
and likewise [the Osiris Hor, the justified,] born of Taikhibit, the justified,
after his two arms have been [placed] at his heart, while
the Breathing Document, being what
is written on its interior and exterior, shall be wrapped in royal linen and placed (under) his left arm in the midst of his heart. The remainder of his
wrapping shall be made over it. As for the one for whom this book is made,
he thus breathes like the ba-spirit[s] of the gods, forever and ever.


37 posted on 03/20/2011 8:40:42 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: delacoert

The leader will come out one morning and say that he had a revelation and explain this away.


38 posted on 03/20/2011 8:43:52 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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