Posted on 03/02/2011 11:14:14 AM PST by T Minus Four
Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book. In Jesus of Nazareth-Part II excerpts released on Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death. Interpretations to the contrary have been used for centuries to justify the persecution of Jews. While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible, Jewish scholars said on Wednesday the argument laid out by the German-born pontiff, who has had his share of mishaps with Jews, was a landmark statement from a pope that would help fight anti-Semitism today. "Holocaust survivors know only too well how the centuries-long charge of 'Christ killer' against the Jews created a poisonous climate of hate that was the foundation of anti-Semitic persecution whose ultimate expression was realised in the Holocaust," said Elan Steinberg of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.
(Excerpt) Read more at au.news.yahoo.com ...
Here is what I said. “Um no...that is just a stupid comment.”
Since the post stated two ridiculous things about The Catholic Church, that are not true, I think my comments were on point.
Have a good night.
OK thanks. I’d be interested to find out why. In my experience, FR has pretty much the least arbitrary censorship list of any site out there. People with pretty much any view are tolerated, unless they are leftists here to cause trouble.
I hate to play one pope against another but Peter did not agree with Benedict
Whoever wrote this - and anyone who believes that Benedict did anything new here - is a moron.
John Paul II did the same thing.
So did Paul VI
So did John XXIII
So did Pius XII
I bet there are a lot of morons out there who will believe this article’s implication that this is something new.
***Well, we all know that you weren’t taught correctly about anything to do with the Catholic Church...***
Mom was a genuine Roman Catholic. So if she wasn’t taught correctly, it stands to reason it was Romes fault, not hers.
Thankfully she was regenerated and now walks in the light.
By the way RB, have you heard the good news? That Jesus died for your sins?
We must remember that it was the Jewish leaders who insited the people by planting people in the crowds to stir them up. Rather like the Unions are doing now in our country.
I have no problem believing the Jewish religious/politcal leaders were responsible....they wanted Jesus out of the way entirely as they knew people were following Him and He didn’t have anything good to say to them about that which they were teaching the people.
People are easily mislead and the Jewish people in that crowd were also mislead...and purposely so. So No it was not the Jewish people who are responsible....
Rather as Uriel’ mentioned....we can each put our faces at the foot of the cross for it is our own sins that put Him there.
Wow, so I can stop bathing in the blood of Christian children to stop my skin problems?
So relieved.
Indeed the good sisters of St Mary of Namur were very clear that the Jews killed Jesus....
Peter pointed at the Jews as needing to repent .. only one Pope can be correct ya know.. so is it Peter or Benedict?
Mel Gibson already thinks he and his Holocaust denying father are more Catholic than the Pope regardless.
1) re: God will not condemn those who did not get that gift.
ANSWER: God gives the same gift to everyone, it's called grace.
2) re: "God will not condemn those who (through)no fault of their own hence the word invincible ignorance.That too is dogma
ANSWER: Invincible ignorance is a theological construct, a theory, with no dogmatic status whatsoever. No one is without fault for they all get the grace from God.
Besides, are you saying that all those who die outside of the Church are so dense so ignorant that God's Grace, "who can turn stones into son of Abraham" can't convert them?
It's funny how many people on this thread are hung up on the words. Teaching is not done by words alone.
Look at the actions taken by the Church and the absolutely consistent, resolute inaction against anti-Semitism, the supposed "perversion" of the faith, over a period of at least 16-17 centuries.
Expulsion of Jews from the Papal Sates by the Pope himself --- that's not a lesson for the flock that lives and property of the Jews are up for grabs? That's not teaching for you?
John 8...Yahshua tells it like it is...
Indeed.
Dontcha know???
It's always the fault of the person who left the church for not being *taught correctly* or *properly catechized*?
They should have known better. If they weren't being taught correctly, they should have somehow magically known that and it was up to them to make sure they got correct teaching from the church.
Rome and the Church is NEVER at fault.
/Catholic dude.....
***Peter pointed at the Jews as needing to repent .. only one Pope can be correct ya know.. so is it Peter or Benedict?***
It seems there is a fracture in Tradition.
So it used to be that the sins of all mankind that sent Jesus to the cross (this is what I was taught),
.......but now it’s only the sins of the Gentiles that sent Him to the cross?
I hope the Pope’s actual words have greater clarity than this reporter at explaining his meaning. If he meant that the Jews have no SPECIAL responsibility, I’m in agreement, but they are still generally responsible, as are the rest of us.
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. I could waste a whole boatload of official Church teachings on anti-semitism on you and it would have no effect. Honestly, I know what certain Catholics did in the past deeply hurt the Jewish. What I don’t understand why you feel the need to beat a dead horse. You seem hung up on decrees ect..like it’s the gospel.
Nothing by me, but your answer may be found here: The Popes Against the Jews, Part 6:- http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/02/popes-against-jews-part-6-show-so-far.html
An understanding of Luther’s attitude toward the Jews can be seen here: http://tquid.sharpens.org/luther_Jews.htm
Peter did change the Jews with Jesus death in Acts 2, but we are all guilty of killing Christ, as my flesh and our is at enmity against God, and is irreformable (Rm. 8:7) ( if that’s a word). Paul, like Moses (being a type of him), was willing to be damned for their sake, (Ex. 32:32; Rm. 9:3) but also condemned them a whole and said, “wrath is come upon them to the uttermost,” as they harshly resisted the gospel, (1Thes. 2:16) with blindness resulting as a judgment. (Jn. 12:35,36)
But God promised a yet future reversing of the curse, and so all Israel (a remnant that is left) shall be saved, to the glory of God. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/israel-chosenorforgotten.html)
Older news release: Pope Benedict on Jews (June 14, 1751)
http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_be14aq.htm
Any post with an opening like that is an admission that you have no reply to the substantive issues raised.
As if additional confirmation were needed to give two confirmations to my previous post:
whole boatload of official Church teachings...You seem hung up on decrees
On the contrary, I explicitly stated the opposite:
Look at the actions taken.
I urged YOU not to be hung up on decrees and writings.
I know what certain Catholics did in the past deeply hurt the Jewish.
The question is not what individual Catholics did: individual Jews, individual Protestants or individual Hindus may have committed many wrongs. The question was what Catholic Church, as an institution, did and did NOT do for almost two millennia.
And you are asking why I mention that? Precisely because of people like you, who huff and puff and get all worked up but have nothing substantive to say and yet try wiggle out by talking about some nebulous "individual Catholics." Yeh, and concentration camps in Russia were just a mistaken behavior of individual communists.
Individuals make individual mistakes, When the same pattern of behavior is exhibited over 16-17 centuries, it is no longer a mere combination of individual behaviors but an organizational behavior.
So what did move you to twist my words and avoid the issue? Is that intellectually honest on your part? You don't have to reply to this post --- answer yourself, your Holiness.
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