they are constantly trying to
outdo one another in being more absurd
than the last poster.
Posted on 02/12/2011 6:20:06 PM PST by topcat54
Joel McDurmon, hosting today's show for Gary DeMar, exposes End-times Dysfunction (E.D.) for what it is. Joel shares with doomsdayers how they can get relief from their paranoia and troubled souls.
It’s called cognitive dissonance. Futurists know this is taught in the Bible but they can’t comprehend it within the context of their system. They then try to impose their faulty thesis on others, as if we are somehow forced by their rules to play by their inventions.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
The very idea is an insult to the Bible and to common horse sense.
Check out post 403. The multi-pictured one has posted his Christmas day photograph.
Hey, you guys need to go tell this guy not to worry because Satan has already been bound and he’s not influencing anyone anymore.
As Thomas Sowell once quipped on the old "Firing Line" program, after repeating himself several times to make a point that J. K. Galbreath never did get , "Is there a problem with the acoustics in here?".
That's not what the text says, and that's not what's being claimed.
Is it really the case that you do not understand what we are saying about the nature of the binding of Satan? I’m not asking you to accept it, I’m just asking if you comprehend what we are saying.
Wait, wait, you guys say we are in the thousand year reign now and that Satan is bound in the pit and not able to deceive right? Then you say when Jesus comes at the end of this thousand years “as a thief in the night” it’s the “day for the final disposition”. You say that “it is the day when all these things will be dissolved.
But let’s look at Revelation 20.
Revelation 20: 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
So you say that at the end of the thousand years “as a thief in the night” Jesus returns for the “final disposition” which is the end of this old earth right. So who is Satan released to deceive and gather together to do battle? It says he will gather Gog and Magog and there’s going to be a bunch of them but you say the final disposition has already happened and all things will be dissolved.
Ah, TC, your argument has been bested. The MPF has posted font size +3 now!
What’s the objection? Warning: This is a trick question because remember we do not accept all the nonsensical presuppositions of futurism regarding Rev. 20.
I missed how you got the admitting Satan to heaven as an issue. Could Christ do that? There's could and there's would and that clearly wouldn't be His will. Besides, the Holy Spirit restrains anyone in that position from error. As for slaughter, yes, all those murderers and more (don't forget our peaceful friends in Islam) have slaughtered millions. Don’t stop there; add in what is probably billions of abortions. Seems to me we’re getting awfully close to a third of those who have lived since He was crucified and if not, we soon will. A nuke here, a dirty bomb there, and you have half of those who have lived since His resurrection being slain. I see where you’re coming from and understand completely why you look at it that way I just don't know why you and so many others stop asking questions before they get to all the holes in what they believe.
Then again, you seem to fail to admit the possibility of the “strong delusion” being something that could deceive even the elect should the days not be cut short. I do not argue that the current End Times frenzy is that delusion, but that it is building a viewpoint and interpretation method that could lead a lot of people a lot further astray. I don’t think that delusion will show up with a chain of neon race lights around it but rather as a gradual modification to some very, very, popular and relatively new Christian doctrine that is widely accepted. In you consider the fact that Protestantism is about 500 years old and began with acceptance of the vast majority of what the Catholic Church teaches, look at what it teaches today, and then look at how much has been modified in the Bestselling Rapture Doctrine since Darby, it’s obvious that the rate of doctrinal change is increased and that dropping portions of the Faith is no longer any big deal to most Protestants.
What makes you think such a delusion wouldn’t be based on an errant interpretation of the word, one that isn’t 2000 years old? It would have to be or it wouldn’t fit the bill. As such, and looking at it over the time since Christ arose, a recent interpretation is a must and a recent interpretation you have no matter who wants to go back beyond Darby. Satan may well have tried to start the same delusion other times but it was not the time and the Spirit would not allow it. Darby and Schofield succeeding happened not long before the mass murders and huge increase in war and rumors of wars you talk about and since then, you have to admit, knowledge increased almost magically. Not just our lifetimes, but even the spread of the Industrial Revelation is encompassed if you look at it that way. Not only does the Bestselling Rapture Doctrine divert His own from spreading the Gospel; it establishes the precedent for new doctrine being acceptable and reinterpretation as the basis for new doctrine being the norm. If someone discovers another dispensation next week far more people will be willing to accept that and accept reinterpretation of the Word based on it than if the Bestselling Rapture Doctrine taken with a grain of salt as it should have been.
Like I said, I know where you’re coming from but I also know how easy it is to ignore the holes in that doctrine and accept it as complete and correct even though it really isn’t. In many ways, the Bestselling Rapture Doctrine denies the power of Christ and the Spirit as well as attributing to the Father the thought processes of men. God does not think inside time yet every Rapture interpretation is incredibly dependent on timing men can figure out and on thinking in terms of human lifetimes and human cause and effect. Within it there is no faith whatsoever in Christ intervening in the affairs rather than winding it up like clockwork and letting it run. Overall, it erodes faith and does not strengthen it since no faith is required to awiat the running down of the clockwork mechanism. We also are reduced to clockwork rather than being His children who He will hear and help.
Not everyone who disagrees with you does so due to a lack of faith in Him and His Word or a lack of study. Some of us, probably the vast majority of us, disagre because we refuse to agree with anything that sells Christ short.
Regards & God bless
It's a symptom of NPD ... font size envy. They need to overcompensate with a manly font size.
So when it says in Revelation 20:3 “And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,” it really doesn’t mean that he isn’t able to deceive them any more. Got it.
Then when it says in Revelation 20: 7 “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.” It really doesn’t mean that he will deceive the nations. That must be obvious because at the end of the thousand years Jesus has returned and there are no nations to deceive because there are no “four corners of the earth” because the earth has been destroyed after all.
So that’s what you believe. Ok then.
>>if you like Fawlty Towers, or Allo Allo I guarantee you’ll like this<<
Two more I have never heard of.
I had two businesses to run in the 80s and sold them then started a computer store in the 90s and ran that till I sold it in ’99 when I retired. Not much TV, if any, till about two years ago and not much now. In fact, my parents didn’t have TV in the house till after I left home in 1968 and then only a small one from my grandmother after her death that they didn’t watch much. So TV in my life has been very little.
>>The multi-pictured one has posted his Christmas day photograph.<<
How adult of you.
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