Posted on 02/12/2011 6:20:06 PM PST by topcat54
Joel McDurmon, hosting today's show for Gary DeMar, exposes End-times Dysfunction (E.D.) for what it is. Joel shares with doomsdayers how they can get relief from their paranoia and troubled souls.
Yes, exactly!! :-P Though those were not posts on debates, note.
Good job of exposing fork tongue - condemning insults while actively engaging in it.
Say, presently no — do you know that the Apostles were blessed?
If you think rebuking someone for putting something secondary to the Gospel ahead of it is proof that the party rebuked is doing their good work as a disciple, then so be it. I suppose Timothy 2:23 only applies when you're talking to someone who agrees with you. Puff on up over being assailed by 'man' for quoting something deliberately intended to lead those who argue your side of the topic astray. I'm leaving this and the other regular wrestling matches to you.
Why do you, presently no screen name believe in a non-scriptural thing like the rapture if you say you hold to sola scriptura?
Senseless people do not know, fools do not understand,
That ain’t gonna happen Cronos. I’ll just watch as the Pope cozies up to the Muslims and begins to organize the one world church of the end times.
You probably know as well as I do the doubts about the “succession” and even the problems with some of the Popes. Then there is the problem of not really being able to prove that Peter was ever in Rome. Be that as it may it’s no skin off my nose one way or another. The list of disagreements I have with the RCC is long and insurmountable.
My advice for all who call themselves big c Catholic is to remember that the simple gospel of Jesus is “believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved-and your house”. No organized church can save, no rituals, no mortal man in whatever ostentatious gown, and no ceramic image on front lawns. Only the once for all perfect sacrifice of Jesus. Just ask Jesus. I did.
“I thought engineers were better at analyses than that.”
Well, now that you mention it, we are:
End Times Paranoia (even if manifested cheerfully) is a mental issue. It is a futile desire to bring meaning to ones life - simply by “being there when it all happened”. Profound mental, and likely physical laziness goes with the type.
Otherwise, the End Times folks are sad creatures - often having failed at life and love - with nothing to look forward to but the apocalypse.
Is this sort of analysis more to your expectation?
| "But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]). "As I said before, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although she is disseminated throughout the whole world, yet guarded it, as if she occupied but one house. She likewise believes these things just as if she had but one soul and one and the same heart; and harmoniously she proclaims them and teaches them and hands them down, as if she possessed but one mouth. For, while the languages of the world are diverse, nevertheless, the authority of the tradition is one and the same" Against heresies 1:10:2 "It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about" (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]). "Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time" (Against Heresies 3:3:4 "Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth, so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. . . . For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient churches with which the apostles held constant conversation, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question?" (Against Heresies 3:4:1) "[I]t is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church—those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth" "The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere AGainst Heresies 4:33:8 |
| And Irenaeus of course said "If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?" Against Heresies 4:33:32 "He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life—flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?" Against Heresies 5:2 |
| 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. |
| 16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name. |
| 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. |
| 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God |
| 13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. |
| 26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ |
| to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, |
| 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh[a] was put off when you were circumcised by[b] Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. |
| 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, |
| 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, |
| End Times Paranoia (even if manifested cheerfully) is a mental issue. It is a futile desire to bring meaning to ones life - simply by “being there when it all happened”. Profound mental, and likely physical laziness goes with the type. Otherwise, the End Times folks are sad creatures - often having failed at life and love - with nothing to look forward to but the apocalypse. |
Sure.
Thansk.
Congrats on a beautiful name.
Is this anything like Egg Paranoia?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRn4Q4V81o
Chickens are plentiful, mama!
Well put.
LOL.
Thanks for your kind reply.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD.
PRAISE THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.
| Now the sola scriptura types say they hold to scripture alone, | Yet they hold on to things like
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MORE OUTRAGEOUS FALSEHOODS.
No one is putting anything ahead of GOD’S WORD.
Thessalonians is clear enough.
Y’all seem to refuse to deal with Thess.
Jack Van Impe for all his flaws is not a slouch researcher and neither is Holly Deo. I have great confidence it is as they asserted. Whether we can verify that or not, remains to be seen.
Your assumptions about that are no better founded than mine—and a lot less founded, imho.
May The Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob fiercely rebuke all hostility to and avoidance of the truths of HIS WORD.
NOPE.
Sounds like more unaware idiotic assumptions, to me.
Quite devoid of analyses as well as solid understanding of fairly straightforward Scriptures.
Those kinds of biased assumptions would make a mighty hazardous bridge.
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