Ping!
It’s called CAROLING not TROLLING.
~ Did you get your Christmas activities confused again?
Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth!
(You can troll but I hope no one bites.)
Ave Maria!
Ping.
I’m told that she is not worshiped, she is venerated.
The puzzle is whether this is just simple (as in simple-minded) bigotry or the result of a head injury.
My best guess is that little people need to find fault in others to avoid examining their own meaningless lives.
Ping for our current “discussion”
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Hoss
OK, which one of you anti-Catholic FReepers is really John MacArthur?
Uh, Gamecock, this is not something Catholics are taught, and yet the protestants take this as proof that protestants know more than Catholics ... this is a straw argument used by the protestants, and it is false.
This is so full of half-truths & blatant crap that I don’t even know where to begin!
At best, in a few of the sentences, the “author” begins to make a truthful statement, but fails. If your saturdays, especially this close to Christmas, are so boring that all you can manage to attempt is being an anti-Catholic troll, then I have pity for you, and your family. I’ll pray for you.
Unadulterated foolishness.
Just read the works of the Angelic Doctor St. Thomas Aquinas and Pope Benedict XVI- whom some have called the theological Einstein of our times. These other idiots are not worthy of even an asterisk.
Some christians even worship the word of God(bible)...
Almost all deny they are doing this..
And it could true in some situations.. worship being too strong a word.. sometimes..
There is definitely two different christian historys..
One catholic the other protestant.. and others "seeing" mythical legend morphed to be history..
People the world over deal with spiritual things with what they have to work with..
Christian, buddist, muslim, hindu, animist or any other variation of human spirituality..
We all see what we see.. to maybe want to see..
Because that is what we are here for to sort ourselves into groups..
Which I like to call Sheep Pens.. (John ch 10)..
Jesus never forbade Sheep Pens..
bmp
MacArthur is a lightweight, not a scholar but just a pompous windbag. He played football in college and apparently got hit on the head too many times...then went to that great high institute of learning “Talbot” and got some kind of PhD....I guess he saw his dad, a fundamentalist preacher made a pretty easy living so went that route. Of course he has that kind of Baptist testimony you often hear - “ I was a drunkard, a derelict, didn’t care ...then I met Christ....blah, blah, blah...”
He has flipped and flopped over the years on many things. He started out KJV only, then switched. He taught Christ was not the ETERNAL Son of God - in his first NT commentary on Hebrews and then “whoops” he changed his mind. He taught we are and are not saved by the blood of Christ.
Finally, he became a sort of near Calvinist....4.5 points or so....Many Calvinists disown him. However, one cannot tell if he is supra-lapsarian, infra-lapsarian, or what.
He is extremely confused on salvation. He wrote books on so-called “Lordship Salvation” that pleased some Calvinists, and also alarmed many. Fundamentalists disowned him - Charles Ryrie and others wrote rebuttals on this. Trinity Foundation wrote a three part essay on what a heretic he was for he cannot even define Faith...as assent to propositions understood and believed or where/if/how works relate to Faith
He is the champion of coming up with confusing phrases about faith - saving, weak, strong, temporary, lasting, etc....He radically separates justification and sanctification so being “saved” is a momentary act, salvation is a long, long process...and we judge how that is going to determine if the momentary “act” of justification was “real” or not...He can’t get a grip on assurance and he isn’t sure who outside his little cult of Grace Community Church measures up.
MacArthur thinks the church is “invisible” and not an institution, yet his ecclesiastical community appoints “Elders” and tries to enforce discipline, rules, etc.
I think I heard Robert Sungenis mop the floor with MacArthur once....the guy is just confused.
Gen. 3:15 - we see from the very beginning that God gives Mary a unique role in salvation history. God says “I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed.” This refers to Jesus (the “emnity”) and Mary (the “woman”). The phrase “her seed” (spermatos) is not seen elsewhere in Scripture.
Gen 3:15 / Rev. 12:1 - the Scriptures begin and end with the woman battling satan. This points to the power of the woman with the seed and teaches us that Jesus and Mary are the new Adam and the new Eve.
John 2:4, 19:26 - Jesus calls Mary “woman” as she is called in Gen. 3:15. Just as Eve was the mother of the old creation, Mary is the mother of the new creation. This woman’s seed will crush the serpent’s skull.
Isaiah 7:14; Matt. 1:23 - a virgin (the Greek word used is “parthenos”) will bear a Son named Emmanuel, which means “God is with us.” John 1:14 - God in flesh dwelt among us. Mary is the Virgin Mother of God.
Matt. 2:11 - Luke emphasizes Jesus is with Mary His Mother, and the magi fall down before both of them, worshiping Jesus.
Luke 1:35 - the child will be called holy, the Son of God. Mary is the Mother of the Son of God, or the Mother of God (the “Theotokos”).
Luke 1:28 - “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.” These are the words spoken by God and delivered to us by the angel Gabriel (who is a messenger of God). Thus, when Catholics recite this verse while praying the Rosary, they are uttering the words of God.
Luke 1:28 - also, the phrase “full of grace” is translated from the Greek word “kecharitomene.” This is a unique title given to Mary, and suggests a perfection of grace from a past event. Mary is not just “highly favored.” She has been perfected in grace by God. “Full of grace” is only used to describe one other person - Jesus Christ in John 1:14.
Luke 1:38 - Mary’s fiat is “let it be done to me according to thy word.” Mary is the perfect model of faith in God, and is worthy of our veneration.
Luke 1:42 - “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.” The phrase “blessed are you among women” really means “you are most blessed of all women.” A circumlocution is used because there is no superlative in the Greek language. Note also that Elizabeth praises Mary first, and then Jesus. This is hyperdulia (but not latria which is worship owed to God alone). We too can go through Mary to praise Jesus. Finally, Catholics repeat these divinely inspired words of Elizabeth in the Rosary.
Luke 1:43 - Elizabeth’s use of “Mother of my Lord” (in Hebrew, Elizabeth used “Adonai” which means Lord God) is the equivalent of “Holy Mary, Mother of God” which Catholics pray in the Rosary. The formula is simple: Jesus is a divine person, and this person is God. Mary is Jesus’ Mother, so Mary is the mother of God (Mary is not just the Mother of Jesus’ human nature - mothers are mothers of persons, not natures).
Luke 1:44 - Mary’s voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth’s womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.
Luke 1:46 - Mary claims that her soul magnifies the Lord. This is a bold statement from a young Jewish girl from Nazareth. Her statement is a strong testimony to her uniqueness. Mary, as our Mother and intercessor, also magnifies our prayers.
Luke 1:48 - Mary prophesies that all generations shall call her blessed, as Catholics do in the “Hail Mary” prayer. What Protestant churches have existed in all generations (none), and how many of them call Mary blessed with special prayers and devotions?
Gal. 4:4 - God sent His Son, born of a woman, to redeem us. Mary is the woman with the redeemer. By calling Mary co-redemptrix, we are simply calling Mary “the woman with the redeemer.” This is because “co” is from the Latin word “cum” which means “with.” Therefore, “co-redemptrix” means “woman with the redeemer.” Mary had a unique but subordinate role to Jesus in salvation.
Eph. 1:1; Phil. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - the word “saints” (in Hebrew “qaddiysh”) means “holy” ones. So Mary is called Holy, the greatest Saint of all.
Luke 2:35 - Simeon prophesies that a sword would also pierce Mary’s soul. Mary thus plays a very important role in our redemption. While Jesus’ suffering was all that we needed for redemption, God desired Mary to participate on a subordinate level in her Son’s suffering, just as he allows us to participate through our own sufferings.
Luke 2:19,51 - Mary kept in mind all these things as she pondered them in her heart. Catholics remember this by devoting themselves to Mary’s Immaculate Heart and all the treasures and wisdom and knowledge contained therein.
Mary is not Astarte or anything like her. I know that MacArthur identifies with the ancient Hebrews, but one does not find temple prostitutes in any Marian shrine. he’s just rehashing some John Knox sermons.
posts. Interesting that during this time of year where we celebrate Christ's birth...the fact the discussions are NOT about Him, rather Mary--> And it's a very interesting question. Why exactly are some folks (non-Catholics all, like you, G or Rn etc.) so obsessed with this during this time of the year when we celebrate Christ's birth?
mark
I grew up in his church.