Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
I guess you admit that SOME of it is NOT LIES!!
Would you PLEASE differentiate between the GOOD stuff and the BAD stuff so LURKERS will no longer be confused of what is authentic??
I am POSITIVE that since 1981, I've heard NOTHING from my church about MORMONism.
They have, however, EQUIPPED me for the task by teaching what the WORD of GOD says.
You REALLY need to do SOMETHING about that attention span!
#754 Im sorry this is all your current church equips you to do, negativity, rather than putting out a positive message.
You are not alone...
Simple: they don't need to.
They have enough folks deceived now to continue paying their tithes to keep the Leadership in the lifestyle to which they are now accustomed.
Today on his radio program, Glenn Beck stated almost word for word what two apologists have stated in this thread, that it is Jesus Christ who saves, that they are trusting the Jesus of the Bible to be their Savior, and that makes them Christians. Sadly, when the quotes from his own teachers in Mormonism are sent to Glenn, he has no time to read them or think about how the Mormon jesus is so different from the Jesus of the Bible. I suppose Glenn counts on his work now to be counted as ‘after all that he can do’, so God will owe him salvation in the Jesus of the Bible even if he affirms with his presence and tithes and affirmations of the Mormon prophets that he believes in the Mormon jesus. I wonder, why did Jesus ask His disciples “Who do YOU say that I AM?” To the Mormon mind, just about any definition of Whom Jesus IS will be good enough ... to the god of Momronism that is.
Great graphic, LOL
That is a bit more senical than I’m willing to be, at this point. But the more I learn of Mormonism and the more back-and-forth I have with Mormons, the more I’m leaning to a very high authority in the cult knowing they are duping the people but giving themselves absolution with some twisted rationalization. I mean, there is so MUCH error in Mormonism, how could someone with the full knowledge—which we assume the central thirteen top dogs have—of Mormonism NOT see the gross contradictions to the specious assertion that Mormonism is ‘restored christianity’? The apologists on these thread refuse to read the evidence, so they may have an excuse (though the scriptures caution, ‘they are without excuse’) for their ignorance, but the top dogs like Gordon B Hinckley, who played word games to avoid straight up full answers on the Snow couplet or the issue of blacks which would embarass the cult?
"If Mormons want an honest relationship with Christ, they need to be honest with themselves first. They need to explore and find the truth. IF they can not, then they are afraid to let go of a lie and that lie separates them from God."
If a person allows deceit to fester within their soul, they will eventually reach the point that they become at some level conscious they are into a lie yet decide that it is worth it to their agenda, usually rationalizing that there really is no god, or rationalizing that god will grant them absolution because of the other good stuff they believe they've done in their life. Sadly, God hates that stuff so they have actually committed sin that is unforgiveable because they have rejected the Holy Spirit effort to have them walk in the Truth. Jesus explained it with the analogy of leaven in dough, which meant something important to the Jew who was instructed to use un-leavened bread in rituals of worship. He also taught that it isn't what goes int he mouth that defiles the soul, it is what comes up out of the depths of the soul. If deceit is at the heart, partial truth is of no effect.
Ceremonies is Deborah Laake's bizarre memoir of her evolution from a devout Mormon to a disenfranchised divorcee verging on a mental breakdown, and learning more about the untold aspects of Mormonism, especially from an ex-Mormon.
It sets forth many of the ceremonies, many of the beliefs, many of the false, misdirect ions that the Mormon 'faith' practices. Before the excommunicated Mormon (branded as a witch) Deborah died, she related how Mormons were 'instructed' to steal her book from bookstores..to negate her information getting out.
Why does that remind me of Muslims justified teachings of 'lying to the infidels'?
I kind of expect them to be evangelizing...even if their faith isn't, in my view, the ONE true Church.
The geological (or lack of) discrepancies aside, I want to focus on the nature and behavior of Christ. The contradictions presented between the two books.
The judgements spoken of in Revelation are considered to be expected after the 5th Seal is broken (The things that occur preceding the opening of the book). Is it your contention that regardless of the 5th Seal, God will contradict Himself and cast down judgement upon whole cities and civilizations contrary to the timeline given in the written word?
Were there not cities or civilizations in the ME that could have merited an equal judgement? Are there no more martyrs to be had that merit the justice according to Revelations?
Verse 11: And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.
This verse tells us that there are many more martyrs yet to come into the presence of Christ before He vindicates them.
If what you’re saying is correct, then Christ would have been destroying cities and civilizations everytime a martyr was made. Present endurance will be vindicated in the end, not each and everytime.
According to Revelations, He will vindicate His name at a time of His choosing, not ours. And from all appearances, He is going to do it one time.
John is indicating in Revelations that the Day of Judgement is an unrepeatable event and that when it happens, everything will be affected. It is universal, not confined to one region.
His wrath is indicative of the righteous justice that has built up and built up and then one day is unleashed.
My contention about the nature of the two Christs stands.
From my understanding, the BoM Christ’s actions clearly contradict the expectations given to us about what we can expect from Christ as described in the Book of Revelations.
I'm simply surprised that folks here get angry when one is evangelizing. You should be working equally as hard or harder to teach/defend/evangelize your faith.
And Yes, I believe the LDS is clearly outside the Body of Christ.
Defeat is getting mad when someone else is evangelizing. I'd rather beat em with arguments stemming from what I believe is the ONE true Church.
But I would have hated to live in "Moron"....LOL!!!
But I know you know this...........
"If a person allows deceit to fester within their soul, they will eventually reach the point that they become at some level conscious they are into a lie yet decide that it is worth it to their agenda, "
I watched Glenn Beck's mormonism video clip and he said something to the fact that he "wanted to drink the kool aid" because he wanted happiness that the mormons were having. I kind of think at some level, Beck knows the kookiness of Mormonism but he has deliberately ignored it so he could have a sable family life. I couldn't risk my family's soul for that.
Are you "righteous", Normandy?
I had a pastor many years ago.....ask at least 200 people at the service...if anyone was "righteous" to stand up. Nobody did. He then proceeded to teach everyone there....that we were righteous "in Christ".
It was a long time ago...and I wanted to stand up when he called out...but I wasn't sure....I am now.
I AM righteous in Christ!!
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