Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
“Anybody can go through the motions.”
Eighteen months in Belize (Central America) with my young son attending Belizean schools. Hmmmmm. I laugh out loud when I see these stupid rich Americans on that show on TV where they are wanting to buy property in Belize. Don’t they know about the horrific state of “health care” in that country? You would be shocked to see what is called a “hospital” in Belmopan. Crime is rampant although my family was protected while there by God’s good grace.
We were warned not to criticize Belize while we were living there but now that I’m here, I am free, thank the Lord.
I don’t care if the anti Mormons believe me or not. It mattereth not. However, I find it strange that so-called Christians would be so hateful to a person who served on the mission field. If I did nothing else while there but help the Belizean Christian women with their VBS in Roaring Creek, that made it all worthwhile.
“Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.” —Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148
So why do you continue to displease God SD?
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.”
You statement and your doctrine tell me that your view of repentance is disrespectful to Jesus.
And since you continue to sin - you haven't repented and since you haven't repented, Jesus cannot save you in your sins (ALMA 11:37).
So how goes your work towards earning your salvation SD?
For lurkers--because Norm has assured us he not only doesn't read what is posted if it opposes his cult, he refuses to read a word of it lest he awaken to the heresies of Mormonism--for lurkers like soloson who claims Roman Catholicism, below are the characteristics of the Mormon jesus. See if these characteristics are the ones which fit the Jesus of the Bible, the Jesus you would trust as Svior of your immortal soul:
Mormons believe Jesus was married at the marriage feast in Cana where He changed water into wine
Mormons believe that the Momron jesus was married to more than one woman
The Mormon jesus was persecuted because he was a polygamist.
The Mormon jesus came into existence when his father in heaven created him along with his brothers and sisters, as a spirit being who was not yet a god.
Momrons believe Lucifer was one of the Mormon jesus's brothers, before the Mormon jesus became a man and later a god.
The Mormon jesus is one individual god in a troika of gods which includes the Mormon jesus's father--who was once a man and inhabits a body of flesh and bones and through goodness gained the attributes of godhood when he was selected by a council of gods to be the god of earth--and the never to receive a fleshly body holy spirit.
The Mormon jesus can save you, after all that you can do to be worthy of the grace of the Mormon godhead--which is, again, a troika of three gods working for a common purpose.
Mormons believe their jesus can save a person who rejected Him while in their body, by accepting a proxy baptism for them performed in a Mormon Temple by a Temple worthy Mormon.
The Mormon jesus gained the attributes of godhood through the life he lived in the flesh, which gained for that jesus exaltation.
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Every one of that list of the Mormon jesus characteristics is based upon the teachings from Mormon leaders who are attested as true by Mormons, for if they do not swear they attest to these teachers' characterizations then they have no temple recommend!
When a Mormon (like Normandy or Resty or Saundra Duffy or Killer medic or Paragon Defender or Stourme or Delphi User or misses bush or lady lawyer) accuses me or any other 'Flying Inman' who opposes those heresies of lying about their religious beliefs, we post the actual quotes of the teachers who said these things about the jesus Mormons are trusting to save them after all that they can do. And when one of these comes to make a vague accusation because of this post, I will list the quotes as they have been listed throughout this thread and others for days now.
Hi SZ,
Jesus explained that the reason for such great destruction among certain cities of the Nephites. It was the shedding of the blood of the prophets and the saints and casting our the righteous from among them.
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10 And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.
11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them.
I don’t see this as being out of character for Jesus. For example, if you read Revelation 6, you’ll see that the very same kinds of judgments are prophesied as coming upon those are guilty of slaying souls “for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held” (Rev. 6:9)
Jesus is indeed merciful and longsuffering, but there comes a time when he takes action against those who do harm to those that love and serve him.
Ping ... sorry, I misspelled your name. Is the Mormon jesus the same Jesus The Catholic Church has taught you to trust as Savior?
Exactly where did I criticize you Miss Sandy?
All I said was who cares if you can prove you went. If true, it didn’t do anything for you except make you bitter, by your own account.
Interesting that the anti-mormonism group here doesn’t feel the need to impress anyone with their good works and mission trips.
And I am shocked that now you are no longer a Christian missionary, you choose to CRITICIZE Belize and even thank your “lord” for being free to do so.
Any Christian missionary I have ever known left their hearts behind and have a passion for the people and the country forever.
Well, anyway, let me be the first to say Bravo! Well done. Cheers. Good on ya. Great job.
There. There’s your reward.
Ouch! ... Is that dust down there around your feet?
Have the reminas of any of these cities ever been found, Norm?
What these opponents say, however, won’t affect the Lord’s work — it’s not possible to thwart his purposes.
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If you are so convinced that what we say won't affect the Lord's purposes, (and again you refuse to capitalize "His") why all the continual whining when Ezra Taft Benson has stated, "The Book of Mormon is the instrument that God designed to “sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out [His] elect.”
Flooding the Earth With the Book of Mormon-Ezra Taft Benson
"The time is long overdue for a massive flooding of the earth with the Book of Mormon for the many reasons which the Lord has given. In this age of the electronic media and the mass distribution of the printed word, God will hold us accountable if we do not now move the Book of Mormon in a monumental way.
We have the Book of Mormon, we have the members, we have the missionaries, we have the resources, and the world has the need. The time is now!
My beloved brothers and sisters, we hardly fathom the power of the Book of Mormon, nor the divine role it must play, nor the extent to which it must be moved.
“Few men on earth,” said Elder Bruce R. McConkie, “either in or out of the Church, have caught the vision of what the Book of Mormon is all about. Few are they among men who know the part it has played and will yet play in preparing the way for the coming of Him of whom it is a new witness. … The Book of Mormon shall so affect men that the whole earth and all its peoples will have been influenced and governed by it. … There is no greater issue ever to confront mankind in modern times than this: Is the Book of Mormon the mind and will and voice of God to all men?” (Millennial Messiah pp. 159, 170, 179.) We testify that it is.
Now, my good Saints, we have a great work to perform in a very short time. We must flood the earth with the Book of Mormon—and get out from under God’s condemnation for having treated it lightly. (See D&C 84:54–58.)"
Why do you mormons try to convince the world that you and ONLY you are the "elect" and given the right to spread YOUR unBiblical message? Do you not realize how ridiculous it sounds?
You ARE correct in saying, "What these opponents say, however, won’t affect the Lord’s work — it’s not possible to thwart his (sic) purposes."
Mormonism is an opponent of the Lord's work and HIS purposes will not be thwarted....and WE will continue to spread HIS word.
Flying Inman Call to Action
"Hmmmmm. I laugh out loud when I see these stupid rich Americans on that show on TV where they are wanting to buy property in Belize."
"However, I find it strange that so-called Christians would be so hateful to a person..."
Hmmmm, I'm not seeing much love towards someone who's "stupid and rich" here. Instead of showing concern about folks who appear to be ignorant of the state of affairs in Belize, you "laugh out loud".
Another example of what I posted to you earlier.
Thanks.
Thank you RM.
You would be out of step with the Pope himself on that. The Catholic Church sees the LDS as being outside the Body of the Christ.
As a far as defeat, as a Christian yourself you realize what “defeat” by those outside the Body of Christ means, it means damnation for the victim and failure for us.
I would think you would not like to be defeated in that situation either...
Get a life. Most of what you posted is b.s. that’s not Mormon Church doctrine. Time to find a religion that gives you something affirmative to preach, not just tearing down others with lies. I’m sorry this is all your current church equips you to do, negativity, rather than putting out a positive message.
Mormons believe Jesus was married at the marriage feast in Cana where He changed water into wine.
Mormons believe that the Mormon jesus was married to more than one woman.
The Mormon jesus was persecuted because he was a polygamist.
And heeeeere's the proof quotes:
"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).
"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).
"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).
"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346).
"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159)
Then perhaps you would be willing to address the bolded points in the posted article. None of the other LDS defenders here seem to want to touch them.
BTW, sir, the reason I see these above assertions by your Momron teachers is that I read the Bible and understand Whom it speaks of and Who is The Savior, Who was with God in the Beginning and was God, without Whom nothing was made that was made. [ John Chapter 1 ]
“By your Mormon teachers.” Unnamed sources—always credible.
Now that is an outright falsehood. I even bolded the sources! Do you ever read the Journal of Discourses? They are used in the Sunday lessons you get, if you go to the Mormon church regularly. But that was a nice try at diversion, mister. BTW, have you even read the quotes?
How can Mormons know what Lord’s purpose is when they don’t have an honest idea of who the Lord is?
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