Hi SZ,
Jesus explained that the reason for such great destruction among certain cities of the Nephites. It was the shedding of the blood of the prophets and the saints and casting our the righteous from among them.
For example:
10 And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.
11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them.
I don’t see this as being out of character for Jesus. For example, if you read Revelation 6, you’ll see that the very same kinds of judgments are prophesied as coming upon those are guilty of slaying souls “for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held” (Rev. 6:9)
Jesus is indeed merciful and longsuffering, but there comes a time when he takes action against those who do harm to those that love and serve him.
Have the reminas of any of these cities ever been found, Norm?
Where on my maps...are these cities?
Were these cities in the Bible?
Norm -
Where is the evidence of the destruction you’ve described? I’ve searched geological studies - there there are no evidence of volcanic eruptions or earthquakes of the magnitude suggested here during that time frame (AD30-33). There is no history of any such events recorded by the mayans or other amerindian peoples during that time frame either.
Then; logically; JERUSALEM should have been LEVELED for SHEDDING the BLOOD of JESUS; the Last and Greatest PROPHET: right?
The geological (or lack of) discrepancies aside, I want to focus on the nature and behavior of Christ. The contradictions presented between the two books.
The judgements spoken of in Revelation are considered to be expected after the 5th Seal is broken (The things that occur preceding the opening of the book). Is it your contention that regardless of the 5th Seal, God will contradict Himself and cast down judgement upon whole cities and civilizations contrary to the timeline given in the written word?
Were there not cities or civilizations in the ME that could have merited an equal judgement? Are there no more martyrs to be had that merit the justice according to Revelations?
Verse 11: “And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.”
This verse tells us that there are many more martyrs yet to come into the presence of Christ before He vindicates them.
If what you’re saying is correct, then Christ would have been destroying cities and civilizations everytime a martyr was made. Present endurance will be vindicated in the end, not each and everytime.
According to Revelations, He will vindicate His name at a time of His choosing, not ours. And from all appearances, He is going to do it one time.
John is indicating in Revelations that the Day of Judgement is an unrepeatable event and that when it happens, everything will be affected. It is universal, not confined to one region.
His wrath is indicative of the righteous justice that has built up and built up and then one day is unleashed.
My contention about the nature of the two Christs stands.
From my understanding, the BoM Christ’s actions clearly contradict the expectations given to us about what we can expect from Christ as described in the Book of Revelations.
Are you "righteous", Normandy?
I had a pastor many years ago.....ask at least 200 people at the service...if anyone was "righteous" to stand up. Nobody did. He then proceeded to teach everyone there....that we were righteous "in Christ".
It was a long time ago...and I wanted to stand up when he called out...but I wasn't sure....I am now.
I AM righteous in Christ!!
Jesus explained that the reason for such great destruction among certain cities of the Nephites. It was the shedding of the blood of the prophets and the saints and casting our the righteous from among them.
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That makes NO sense because He asked God to forgive those who actually crucified him. Israel did the SAME thing and even killed the Son of God, logically the same thing should have happened in the ME as well, but it didn’t. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?