What Mormon Missionaries WON'T Tell You

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[delacoert]

Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door.  If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians.  However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out.  Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about:

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God.

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."  (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God.  He was called Lucifer, son of the morning.  Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind."  (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist.

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children."  (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210)

 

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age.  A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers.  We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner!  When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him.  He helped to make and organize this world.  He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do."  (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50)

 

"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man.  That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods.

"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy."  (Journal of Discourses 11:269)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine

Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan.  Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary.

"..how are children begotten?  I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father.  The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this:  Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself.

"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers.  Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327)

"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times.

For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it.  Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."  Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines."

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings.

For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again.  To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism.  Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind.  However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death.  Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church.  "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood.  Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well.

 

They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god.  Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven.

 

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.  The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief.  Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God.

 

For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years.  We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182).  In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri.  According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation.  For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..."  to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn.  In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.

 

[MHGinTN]

And add to that, their own founding ‘prophet’ changed the fundamental assertions regarding God! I posted the evidence in an earlier post, where Smith changed the meaning in his own ‘book of nephi’ when the 1837 edition of the Book of Mormon was being prepared. The Mormons who visit these threads ahte it when you post the evidence from their own sources.

[greyfoxx39]

How can Mormons know what Lord’s purpose is when they don’t have an honest idea of who the Lord is?

You nailed it in one!

[dragonblustar]

As a Roman Catholic, I don't understand why would have a problem with any believer proseltyzing their religion

Are you a Roman Catholic because you like the title?

[MHGinTN]

Back in post #584 I quoted the ‘prior to 1837’ edition then the after 1837 edition. If the Momron religion is the perfect restored Christianity, why would Smith need to fundamentally change the way his book of nephi portrays God?

[dragonblustar]

And add to that, their own founding ‘prophet’ changed the fundamental assertions regarding God! I posted the evidence in an earlier post, where Smith changed the meaning in his own ‘book of nephi’ when the 1837 edition of the Book of Mormon was being prepared. The Mormons who visit these threads ahte it when you post the evidence from their own sources.

You're right.

If Mormons want an honest relationship with Christ, they need to be honest with themselves first. They need to explore and find the truth. IF they can not, then they are afraid to let go of a lie and that lie separates them from God.

[MHGinTN]

Make that post #524

[Osage Orange]

And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen

Where on my maps...are these cities?

Were these cities in the Bible?

[Normandy]

No, these cities were in the Book of Mormon. Somewhere in the Americas. If you ask me where exactly, I’ll say I don’t know, because I don’t.

[Tennessee Nana]

"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159)

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Well lets see what the relationship between the LORD Jesus Christ and Mary and Martha and Mary Magdalene really was...

Mary and Martha had reason to love the LORD Jesus Christ because Jesus had raised their beloved brother Lazarus from the dead...

Wouldnt you love someone who raised your loved one from the dead ???

Now lets look at Mary Magdalene...

After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, preaching and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom of God. He took his twelve disciples with him, along with some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases. Among them were Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.

(Then I guess all mormon female tithe payers are married to Joey Smith and Tommy Munson)

Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table.

When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is--that she is a sinner."

Jesus answered him, "Simon, I have something to tell you."

"Tell me, teacher," he said.

"Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?"

Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled."

"You have judged correctly," Jesus said.

Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little."

Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."

The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"

Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith and repentance has saved you; go in peace." Luke 7:36-50

Only a foul mind would get a sexual relationship out of an account of Christian salvation and worship of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Yes this passage might just have mormonism stamped on it...

Simon the mormon..

While Christians love the LORD Jesus Chrsit and weep over His forgiveness of our sins and worship Him...

Mormons not only refuse to worship Him...they are indifferent to Him and do not honor Him or respect Him..

BTW I have the honor of playing the part of Mary Magdalene in our Christmas program at church this year..

Last year I was the "old" Mary the mother of Jesus at the Cross..This year I'm one who was forgiven much and so she loved much...

I never lived the life that Mary Magdalene lived but I am not better or gooder than she was...

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23

[Godzilla]

Norm -
Where is the evidence of the destruction you’ve described? I’ve searched geological studies - there there are no evidence of volcanic eruptions or earthquakes of the magnitude suggested here during that time frame (AD30-33). There is no history of any such events recorded by the mayans or other amerindian peoples during that time frame either.

[Osage Orange]

Normandy.....do you not find that a bit odd?

I mean on a historical/archeology level?

Seems to me....with the Billions of $$$ that LDS, Inc has...they'd be throwing money everywhere...to find evidence of these cities...To PROVE once and for all...to the world that the BOM is true.

Why aren't they?

[Elsie]

Alas, I only know π to 15 digits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1nNRBb7GE&feature=related

[MHGinTN]

Why are they not spending the money to find what remains these places? ... Because even if they do not nor have ever existed physically, the cult mind insists on believing the places exist/existed somehow because to doubt they ever existed would be the same as denying the false prophet, Joseph Smith. ... But they will not admit that to you until they get out of the cult.

[greyfoxx39]

           

 

 

 

In Search of Book of Mormon Geography

The Book of Mormon is supposed to be a history of real people living in a real place. For the first 150 years of Mormonism's existence, everyone thought it was a story about a people who left the Middle East and came to South or Central America, and who fought wars clear up into New York state where their history was hidden in a hillside, inscribed on gold plates. Joseph Smith, in 1830, translated those plates, he said, by "the gift and power of God," into 1611 English from "Reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics." Or so the story goes.

However, one needs to look no further than New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio to find the setting of the Book of Mormon. Whoever pieced the Book of Mormon together had a land in mind which was very similar to the Northeast United States and Southeast Canada.

My friend, the late Vernal Holley, originally published these maps in his book Book of Mormon Authorship: A Closer Look in the early 1980s. I was fascinated with them then and remain so today. Basically, the two maps compare a "proposed map" constructed by Vernal from the internal descriptions of the Book of Mormon and comments, over the years by Latter-day Saint scholars, with a map showing actual place names on maps of the area around Palmyra, New York, where to the Book of Mormon originally was published. Vernal gave me permission to put the whole book on line. I just need the time to do that. In the meantime I hope you enjoy this.

The first map is the "proposed map," constructed from internal comparisons in the Book of Mormon.

Throughout the Book of Mormon we read of such features as "The Narrow Neck of Land" which was a days and a half's journey (roughly 30 miles) separating two great seas. We read much of the Hill Onidah, the Hill Ramah, and the city of the City of Angola—all place names in the land of Joseph Smith's youth. We read, in the Book of Mormon of the Land of Desolation named for a warrior named Teancum who helped General Moroni fight in the Land of Desolation. In Smith's era, an Indian Chief named Tecumseh fought and died near the narrow neck of land helping the British in the War of 1812. Today the Canadian city Techumseh (near the narrow neck of land) is named after him. We see the Book of Mormon city Kishkumen located near an area named, on modern maps, as Kiskiminetas.

There are more than two dozen Book of Mormon names that are the same as or nearly the same as modern geographical locations. See below

Below is the modern Map of the area of Smith's Youth

Book of Mormon place names compared to actual Northeast US/Southeast Canada place names
Canadian locations are marked with an asterisk and
appear in the Book of Mormon as lying in "The Land Northward"

ACTUAL PLACE NAMES *Agathe, Saint Alma Angola Antrim Antioch Boaz *Conner *Ephrem, Saint Hellam Jacobsburg Jerusalem Jordan Kishkiminetas Lehigh Mantua Monroe Minoa *Moraviantown *Morin Noah Lakes Oneida Oneida Castle Omer *Rama *Ripple Lake Sodom Shiloh Land of Midian *Tecumseh/Tenecum	BOOK OF MORMON PLACE NAMES Ogath Alma, Avlley of Angola Antum Anti-Anti Boaz Comner Ephraim, Hill Helam Jacobugath Jerusalem Jordan Kishkumen Lehi Manti Moroni Minon Morianton Moron Noah, Land of Onidah Onidah, Hill Omner Ramah Ripliancum, Waters of Sidom Shilom Land of Midian Teancum
Copyright 1989, 1992 by Vernal Holley Used by permission.

 

Link to FreeRepublic thread on this article:   http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2166845/posts

 

[Elsie]

Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day.

[Elsie]

Jesus explained that the reason for such great destruction among certain cities of the Nephites. It was the shedding of the blood of the prophets and the saints and casting our the righteous from among them.

Then; logically; JERUSALEM should have been LEVELED for SHEDDING the BLOOD of JESUS; the Last and Greatest PROPHET: right?

[Elsie]

Why don't they push that DAMNED Book of ABRAHAM with the same fervor?

It's SCRIPTURE; ain't it??

[ejonesie22]

Notice how quickly you fall silent when it is pointed out to you that the sources with page numbers and such WERE given by MHGinTN.

I guess a apology would be outside expectations, just as an explanation would be....

[greyfoxx39]

For a more complete listing of BOM names,

Posts 52, 53

[Elsie]

Most of what you posted is b.s. that’s not Mormon Church doctrine.

I guess you admit that SOME of it is NOT b.s.!

Would you PLEASE differentiate between the GOOD stuff and the BAD stuff so LURKERS will no longer be confused of what is authentic??