It sure appears that a lot of FReepers are leaning that way...
You'd think from some of the posts that they are just waiting for a sign.
Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock
I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.
I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.
But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.
I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!
A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."
I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?
And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."
God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.
So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.
BAH!
JS came up with AN'other' everlasting covenant and it only lasted 47 years!!
POLYGAMY
As you stated, there was no Mormonism when the nation was founded, so upon what Faith Hope and Charity were the Founders relying if Joey Smith's proclamation was true that all of Christianity was in apostasy? Why is Glenn pointing folks to the faith hope and charity of the Christian founders of America if he believes the assertions of Mormonism? ... This is getting to the point of almost being amusing!
Hey Nana!
LOOK!!
2/3’s of the number!
And the OTHERS???
Open mike night at the Improv...
This is what destroys us. Is it REALLY that important that Beck is a Mormon? Yes, they have a few differences from Christianity, but so what? As long he’s not calling us to Islam, I’m all for him.
Live and learn.
Rascal!
I had to read that several times over - remarkable. Here we have the Founding Fathers, professors of the apostate Christianity - an abomination before God and spawn of satan - created this 'scripture' of the declaration of independence and constitution. So now the Christian religious views of that time are now some how ok? Hmmmmmm
But I’m learning from the best...
:)
Excellent observation.....
Mormonism is NOT Christianity
The foul practice of polygamy is not part of Christianity..
Idol worship of the pagan Joey Smith is not part of Christianity...
Multiple gods are not part of Christianity...
A non-virgin Mary is not part of Christianity...
Only males going to Heaven is not part of Christianity...
Males becoming gods is not part of Christianity...
Males ruling their own planet is not part of Christianity...
A priesthood system as practiced by the mormons is not part of Christianity
Women as sex slaves in a harem is not part of Christianity...
Women having babies forever is not part of Christianity...
Women being called from their graves by husbands who decide the woman’s fate is not part of Christianity...
Degradation of women through adultery and so called “celestial marriage” is not part of Christianity...
Three levels of Heaven is not part of Christianity
Sex in Heaven is not part of Christianity…
Men marrying their mother-in-law is not part of Christianity…
Men marrying their daughter-in-law is not part of Christianity..
Men marrying their wife’s sister is not part of Christianity
Special underwear are not part of Christianity..
Special ceremony clothes are not part of Christianity…
Joey Smith deciding who gets into Heaven is not part of Christianity...
Joey Smith as the savior is not part of Christianity...
Recognizing and worshipping the blasphemous Joey Smith is not part of Christianty...
Dead dunking is not part of Christianity...
The idol on top of the mormon temples is not part of Christianity...
The mormon temples are not part of Christianity...
Gathering in “zion” whether its in Missouri or Utah is not part of Christianity...
The return of the mormon jesus to Missouri is not part of Christianity...
The belief that the garden of Eden was in Missouri is not part of Christianity...
People living on the sun and the moon is not part of Christianity...
The belief that the mormon jesus visited Central America is not part of Christianity...
Freemasonry as practiced by the mormons is not part of Christianity...
Endowments are not part of Christianity...
The book of mormon is not part of Christianity
The tall tales of Joey Smith are not part of Christianity
Mythical ancient civilizations in Central America are not part of Christianity
The so called “visions” and false prophecies of Joey Smith are not part of Christianity
The mormon Mary having sex with one of the mormon gods is not part of Christianity...
The absence of a cross on a building is not part of Christianity
Pagan and Freemasonry symbols on a building are not part of Christianity
“Going through the temple” is not part of Christianity...
The denial that Jesus is God is not part of Christianity...
The denial that the Holy Ghost is God is not part of Christianity...
The denial of the Trinity is not part of Christianity...
The belief that the mormon god was once a man is not part of Christianity
The belief that the mormon god was a polygamist is not part of Christianity...
The belief that the mormon jesus was a polygamist is not part of Christianity...
The belief that monogamy...one man, one woman...is prostitution is not part of Christianity...
The belief that David went to Hell forever is not part of Christianity.
The belief that David will not be in Heaven is not part of Christianity….
Paying tithes to be saved is not part of Christianity......
Works to be saved is not part of Christianity
Being a member of the mormon corporation is not part of Christianity...
The mormon jesus sweating in the Garden of Gethsemane for “atonement” is not part of Christianity...
The insulting, degrading, blasphemous false religion of mormonism is not Christianity...
I have never stopped MORMONS from practicing their own religion..
They are free to do so...
I do however state once again for the record...
Mormonism is NOT Christianity...
And if that’s considered “nasty” I’m in good company...
Because I’m just agreeing with the God of the Christian Bible...
King James Version included...
Sadly it also demonstrates the lack of knowledge even among conservatives.
But we are also seeing Christians defend a cult that stole their savior and perverted his mission and person and are doing it gladly just because all they know is the nice PR and the controlled image of the LDS...
Their are far more that a few differences between Mormonism and Christianity.
It is like comparing the hard working man to the thief who broke in his home, stole his possessions and spray painted vicious lies about the working man's family all around the house for the world to see.
Their are far more that a few differences between Mormonism and Christianity.
It is like comparing the hard working man to the thief who broke in his home, stole his possessions and spray painted vicious lies about the working man's family all around the house for the world to see.
It sure appears that a lot of FReepers are leaning that way...
You'd think from some of the posts that they are just waiting for a sign.
I’m going to hold off further comments until a few more of the Inmans chime in. ... The old saying ‘things just don’t add up’ keeps ringing in my head over the Saturday rally, in light of the weeks of presentations Glenn has done prior, regarding the Founders and their fundamental beliefs. I’m wondering how the several scholarly Historians whom I respect highly and who have been integral to Glenn’s program have missed this fundamental contradiction???
No He sanctions TRUTH over lies. He NOT us! Joseph Smith made up a religion for whatever reason and millions since have bought the lie. It is NOT God’s truth. He died for all, that is true, but they must agree with HIS truth of who He is, and not their invented truth. This may seem exclusionary, but it is so very loving. God does not leave salvation up to a religious roulette wheel and hope you pick the right one, One God, one truth, one way. Please take the time to study Mormonism and compare it to God’s word. Mormonism’s Jesus is NOT the Jesus/God/Creator of the Bible. He is a created being and NOT the creator as the word tells us.
Like Samuel Adams, “I will pray with any man”. And, I will stand and fight with any Patriot.
I couldn't agree more! Thanks for your post. As someone that watches (DVR) and listens (radio in the shop/truck) to Beck quite regularly (i.e., it is a rare occasion if I miss more than 1 hour of his 20 hours of broadcast each week), I can't say that I've ever heard him pushing Mormonism ever. He is always very inclusive to name (in a broad brush manner) all of the various popular religions (in the US) when he speaks of these topics (e.g., "your Priest, Minister, Pastor, or Rabbi").
Personally I hope that he gets back to having his broadcasts being more focused on history and current political happenings/crimes. I understand that he developed this whole Restoring Honor - 8/28 program for quite a long time and I do believe that he is sincere in both the message he wishes to deliver and its importance for our Country. And hopefully he has awoken a lot of citizens out of a spiritual slumber that has fallen over our land in the past several decades. And he seems to have gathered a large number of religious leaders (Black Robe Regiment/Brigade) to carry this message forward via their own houses of worship and denominations; which I believe will result in very positive changes and continued awakenings throughout our Country.
But I don't want to spend that much time listening/watching each week to programming dedicated to these topics, I want to learn more about our history and benefit from his staff researchers (and citizen watchers) informing us about the details of what is happening on the current national scene. He also needs to stop trivializing the November elections (as I heard him do quite about over the past few weeks). His 8/28 message is a long-term solution to a long-term problem; as such it is an important message. However, we have short-term (November 2010) and intermediate-term (November 2012) issues that need to be dealt with properly; and are no less important.
I am very sensitive to proselytizing of any sort and if I sensed that he was doing this in any way I would be amongst the first out the door. His (8/28) message is important, followed through properly it will do nothing but benefit our Nation in the long run ("with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."); I refuse to argue about its validity and utility based on the man's personal religious preference.
Since you are posting here as a declared Catholic, why did you ignore post 166?
How about we just come out and say since Mormons weren't around at the founding of America they shouldn't even be allowed to speak in public on any topic or practice their religion.
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