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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


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To: Tennessee Nana

AMEN! AMEN! GOOD ON YA!

PRAISE GOD!


361 posted on 09/01/2010 2:17:48 AM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Yes Praise His Name, Jesus.,..


362 posted on 09/01/2010 2:41:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Quix
I believe some meet the Biblical criteria for a salavation relationship with Jesus.

Interesting. I agree with you.

363 posted on 09/01/2010 2:45:31 AM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: airborne

Thanks for your kind reply.

I believe God is so incredibly merciful with His mercy triumphing over His Justice as Scripture says . . .

that He looks for Biblical reasons to save people instead of Biblical excuses to damn them.


364 posted on 09/01/2010 2:51:29 AM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Amen brother!

The Lord sees into all our hearts. There is no hiding our true faith (or lack of) to Him.


365 posted on 09/01/2010 2:55:19 AM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: airborne

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

AND HE DECLARES

that those WHO SEEK HIM

SHALL find Him.

Praise His Name.

Back to sleep.

BLESSINGS,


366 posted on 09/01/2010 3:00:23 AM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

I’m off to the VA for an “all day” work up.

Yearly SCI clinic.


367 posted on 09/01/2010 3:08:44 AM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

God does not sanction one religion over another.


368 posted on 09/01/2010 3:48:52 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom)
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To: nowandlater
 
I love this rendition by my fellow Mormons. I listen to it when I am accused of not being Christian. I plea to you God for my sustenance!
 
 
Do you REALLY want to be a 'christian' **SPIT** after the things your LEADERS have said about them??
 


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.
 
Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

369 posted on 09/01/2010 4:48:33 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
 
Elsie will show you just how bigoted the mormons really are...
 

There you go again - bashing us MORMONS!  
 
 
and here I am; caught up in yet ANOTHER "Beck is not an 'other' CHRISTIAN" thread!!)

370 posted on 09/01/2010 4:50:45 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: flynmudd

God does not sanction one religion over another.
______________________________________________

Oh dear...

Whatever shall we do about this scripture from the Christian Bible and spoken by God himself ???

Jesus said to flynmudd, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the father except by Me.” Jesus Christ, The Second Person of the Trinity, The Bible, John 14:6


371 posted on 09/01/2010 4:54:04 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gamecock

SO if the pastor isn’t joining Glenn and the 500,000 on the mall, is he joining with the leftists? is he standing on the sidelines doing nothing? it’s all well and good he won’t join Glenn, but what IS he doing? because doing nothing at this point in our history is NOT ACCEPTABLE. If all he can do is focus on his disagreement with Mormon theology, rather than focus on uniting our country and turning it back to GOD, then he is misguided and of no help to those of us looking to restore our country.


372 posted on 09/01/2010 5:01:18 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Tennessee Nana
"Jesus said to flynmudd, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the father except by Me"

Actually, Jesus didn't say that. The words "or woman" appear nowhere in the Bible. They are in no text of the book of John ever discovered. Although the alteration of the bible text here doesn't change the meaning it is wrong to add to or take from the text of scripture for PC purposes.

373 posted on 09/01/2010 5:03:01 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Gamecock; Religion Moderator

Oh why do the Faithful so furiously rage?


374 posted on 09/01/2010 5:15:22 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: GOP_Lady; Tennessee Nana
Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?

Golly!

I always thought that a TBM would wear something else!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uDGlNklZnc

375 posted on 09/01/2010 5:20:37 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

My son-in-law wears one every day to work!


376 posted on 09/01/2010 5:21:38 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: circlecity

The words “or woman” appear nowhere in the Bible.
_______________________________________________

Reading the Christian Bible for yourself will help you...

Semantics matter to you ???

Never mind...theyre not a hang up with God...

Some verses without the word, MAN ...

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God’s gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered. 1 Peter 3:7

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: Romans 1:16

And yes unfortunately mormonism is still just as sexist as it is racist...

However God is neither...


377 posted on 09/01/2010 5:23:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ansel12
It almost sounded like a curse, was it some kind of mormon curse?

Curse?

Nah; just mere MORMON deflection again.

378 posted on 09/01/2010 5:23:52 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’m not sure what all that has to do with the deliberate distortion of Bible text.


379 posted on 09/01/2010 5:24:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Elsie

Gosh then your son-in-law can be a courageous new leader of the new group...

Whatever it is...

However Beck defines it...


380 posted on 09/01/2010 5:25:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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