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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: metmom
It seems the moderator may have removed this in immoderate haste. He or she should first try to read more carefully. I mean, if a moderator is incapable of seeing that something stays within the guidelines, quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Here there are no identifying characteristics so it shouldn't be a problem, not that there was to begin with except by someone who got his (or her, lest I be sexist) polemical panties in a bunch:
Reduced to employing tu quoque? I notice in this response, however, what has become [an] emblematic approach over the course of many different threads: a variable skepticism coupled with avoidance. One or the other is dialed back low on some things or cranked up to 11 on others. I have seen this approach used over the years by others. There are a number of things it could mean:
Based on the content of those topics that elicit the greatest degree of skepticism or avoidance, one could infer that those exhibiting this are most highly skeptical of or exhibiting avoidance about something which, if correct and if they should persist in the world view that runs contrary to it, poses for them the highest level of existential threat. As such, their approach doesn't represent following truth no matter where it leads them and then changing their beliefs to conform to it. It is, rather, the equivalent of moving closer to or farther from the fire in order to maintain a constant level of comfort or to avoid too much discomfort, an exercise in philosophical homeostasis.

Of course, the variable degrees of skepticism may only happen to appear to point to a core principle of avoidance, in which case one could infer that the skepticism is just something they happen to do to the degree needed, depending on how they happen to feel at the moment, to maximize the pleasure they take in attempting to undermine the position of another, an example of sniping by opportunistic, philosophical hedonists.

Still, one could just be imputing purpose where none exists and it's all just something, like fluctuating neurotransmitter levels, for which there is neither rhyme nor reason.

15,001 posted on 10/27/2010 7:44:47 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: editor-surveyor
. Lost cause!

I do not believe that any man is a lost cause. You may repent on your deathbed and the Lord Jesus Christ may have mercy on you. It's not up to me.

Enjoy your “purgatory.” (what if it never ends?)

It's not my Purgatory. It's God's as outlined in Scripture. Is Purgatory actually of any duration? Remember that once we die, we are out of Time, in the same 'existance' whatever that means, that God is. If you cannot debate Purgatory from Scripture, then please don't attempt it at all. Your wishes are not necessarily God's.

15,002 posted on 10/27/2010 7:50:01 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Iscool
But people who actually speak koine Greek and have access to original manuscripts do. Post 14600

I didn't say they were the original (meaning "first") NT manuscripts, hand-written originals (not reprinted). Biblical scholars get to read the hand-written parchments and papyri, not photocopies, or reprints.

I didn't realize I needed to be more specific when everyone knows there are no originals (as in first copy) know to exist. But thanks for pointing this out. I guess I have to be more specific.

15,003 posted on 10/27/2010 7:51:12 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
Having your ideas challenged is a "price" one has to pay for being free. It has been my experience that people who shout "freedom!" and 'tolerance!" are least likely to support freedom and tolerance.

You mean that people who shout the loudest are often those whose meaning is the opposite of the meaning that they really mean? Like the folks who cry Lord, Lord and declaim any personal responsibility or any personal initiative in any of their doings, yet arrogantly self-describe personal salvation right here and now? Even though Scripture and Church teachings are very clear?

15,004 posted on 10/27/2010 7:54:16 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums
> "not snippets of Isaiah - who doesn't tell us of the divinity of Christ, and gets a bunch of other things wrong as well."

Be reverent boatbums!

We've in our midst one called to critique the very word of God.

"not snippets of Isaiah - who doesn't tell us of the divinity of Christ"

Isa. 54:
[5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Must be a different Isaiah, huh? - This one made no mistakes, and is the greatest of all the prophets; the one that told the whole epic.
15,005 posted on 10/27/2010 8:02:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr
Like the folks who cry Lord, Lord and declaim any personal responsibility or any personal initiative in any of their doings, yet arrogantly self-describe personal salvation right here and now?

Yup, them folks. :)

Even though Scripture and Church teachings are very clear?

Luther's ideas are much more pleasing to the human soul. With Reformation you get to be the little devil you always wanted to be (we can't help it, right?), and still get you rewards. It's like being in school without passing a single test, and still graduating—guaranteed! Doesn't get much better than that.

The only trick is getting in, and even that is up to you (just say the magic words "I believe..."). Once you're in, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride (tailor-made to our taste)...as they say, too good to be true. :)

15,006 posted on 10/27/2010 8:09:35 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: MarkBsnr

No Mark, God has no purgatory!

It is nowhere to be found in the entirety of scripture, and exists in the tortured imaginations of supposed believers.

It is you that cannot debate purgatory from scripture, because you cannot debate what does not exist. So do not pretend to do it at all; your imaginations and fears are definitely not God’s.


15,007 posted on 10/27/2010 8:09:49 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50

> “Like the folks who cry Lord, Lord and declaim any personal responsibility or any personal initiative in any of their doings, yet arrogantly self-describe personal salvation right here and now?”

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Live by the strawman - Die in it’s pyre!
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15,008 posted on 10/27/2010 8:12:09 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; count-your-change; ..
Got it. The Reformed Petrine formula for Reformed salvation is "Believe in the Lord Jesus; don't go to church; be as evil as you wanna be; sin all you like; no muss, no fuss, no pain involved; and you'll get to the Reformed Heaven. Sounds very much like what you guys are saying. Thanks.

Well, listen again. One is not free to be as evil as you wanna be. There are consequences to sinning that do not affect your ultimate salvation.

Besides, one who is saved is NOT going to want to choose to do evil or sin all they want. It's not in their nature any more.

We have been set Free. The Catholic way results in bondage to rules and regulations and fear.

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

And fear is what Catholicism is all about. Fear of not being good enough. Fear of missing the mark and going to hell. It's what keeps people running to confession all the time, compels them to not miss mass because of the threat of mortal sin, fear of taking a newborn out before it's been baptized lest something happen to the child and it end up in Limbo. Fear pervades the Catholic church.

The toe the line because of fear of the consequences, not out of love for God and a desire to do His will to glorify Him.

15,009 posted on 10/27/2010 8:12:51 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: editor-surveyor; MarkBsnr; kosta50
Die in it’s pyre!

It's?

15,010 posted on 10/27/2010 8:15:18 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom
"The toe the line because of fear of the consequences, not out of love for God and a desire to do His will to glorify Him."

Amen!

Catholicism in a nutshell!

15,011 posted on 10/27/2010 8:16:52 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ...
There are consequences to sinning that do not affect your ultimate salvation

Consequences? Like you won't get a penthouse apartment in the sky with a view?

Besides, one who is saved is NOT going to want to choose to do evil or sin all they want. It's not in their nature any more

Protestants keep repeating this, but where's the proof? And just how much are you allowed to sin?

15,012 posted on 10/27/2010 8:19:33 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: editor-surveyor
Isa. 54: [5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Must be a different Isaiah, huh? - This one made no mistakes, and is the greatest of all the prophets; the one that told the whole epic.

Ask an observant Jew if this is Jesus Christ referred to. He'll tell you no. But let's look at other wisdom of Isaiah:

Isaiah 7:13 Then he said: Listen, O house of David! Is it not enough for you to weary men, must you also weary my God? 14 7 Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel. 15 8 He shall be living on curds and honey by the time he learns to reject the bad and choose the good. 16 For before the child learns to reject the bad and choose the good, the land of those two kings whom you dread shall be deserted.

Let's see what he has here. God gets hacked off if you bug Him too often. Jesus will be called Immanuel, which He isn't. The NT is full of fish and bread, not curds and honey (unless you are John the Baptist, that is); Jesus the Lord has to learn between good and evil and to choose correctly (I guess being Incarnate has made Jesus less than perfect), and there are no records of any desertions of lands during the childhood of Jesus.

Isaiah also predicts the desolation and abandonment of Damascus (now currently one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world) and of the lands of Babylon - I guess that all of our troops over there were shooting at camels, right? If you actually read Isaiah, you might be surprised at just how much he gets wrong.

15,013 posted on 10/27/2010 8:21:01 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: editor-surveyor
No Mark, God has no purgatory!

It is nowhere to be found in the entirety of scripture, and exists in the tortured imaginations of supposed believers.

It is you that cannot debate purgatory from scripture, because you cannot debate what does not exist. So do not pretend to do it at all; your imaginations and fears are definitely not God’s.

I laid it all out for you and called you specifically to view the post. The Scripture is from Jesus, Paul and John. Why do you not debate it and just merely dismiss it?

15,014 posted on 10/27/2010 8:22:48 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: editor-surveyor
. Live by the strawman - Die in it’s pyre!

Isn't this the name of a heavy metal song?

15,015 posted on 10/27/2010 8:26:45 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

> “Ask an observant Jew if this is Jesus Christ referred to.”

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Why would I ask anything of someone that God’s word plainly says is just as blind as you are?

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Isaiah wrote of the whole epic, and when the tribulation is over, all the things that your denier’s mind question will be fulfilled. God does nothing by your timetable.
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15,016 posted on 10/27/2010 8:27:11 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr

> “Isn’t this the name of a heavy metal song?”

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Surely you would know far more than I about such things!
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15,017 posted on 10/27/2010 8:28:58 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr

> “I laid it all out for you and called you specifically to view the post.”

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And I replied fully as possible, considering that nothing you posted had anything to do with “purgatory,” unsurprisingly, since purgatory is naught but fearful imaginings of unbelievers that refuse the plain words of God.
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15,018 posted on 10/27/2010 8:32:41 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: metmom
Well, listen again.

Okay. Shoot.

One is not free to be as evil as you wanna be. There are consequences to sinning that do not affect your ultimate salvation.

What are they? And where can I find them in Scripture? You're not seriously proposing the so-often debunked prosperity gospel are you?

Besides, one who is saved is NOT going to want to choose to do evil or sin all they want. It's not in their nature any more.

Well, then, do you choose evil and sin or not? If not, then who chooses it for you? Can you give me an example of somebody whose nature is not to sin and evil? What is the acceptable level of sin and evil? And please back it up with Scripture, if you would be so kind.

And fear is what Catholicism is all about. Fear of not being good enough. Fear of missing the mark and going to hell. It's what keeps people running to confession all the time, compels them to not miss mass because of the threat of mortal sin, fear of taking a newborn out before it's been baptized lest something happen to the child and it end up in Limbo. Fear pervades the Catholic church.

Do I sound fearful? Does any other Catholic on FR? It's not fear. It's love. We love God and the Church. We understand His love for us. We also understand that He has issued instructions to us. Do you guys think that the Two Great Commandments of Jesus are actually suggestions, or only apply to non Christians?

The toe the line because of fear of the consequences, not out of love for God and a desire to do His will to glorify Him.

I don't know where you're finding these Catholics, but growing up in a very Catholic city in a Catholic country, I had none of these experiences.

15,019 posted on 10/27/2010 8:53:25 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: editor-surveyor
Catholicism in a nutshell!

No relation to Catholicism. A comic book version of it promulgated by someone who opposes it.

15,020 posted on 10/27/2010 8:54:43 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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