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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
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That's a little off the topic. By my own admission I don't now what God is. Do you? How would you recognize the divine? But we were not talking about God. We were talking about the fact that the Gospels were written anonymously and the fact that no alleged witness mentioned was named. Would you like Mark to deny these facts for the sake of Christian solidarity?
You need to get over yourself and your perceived importance. You are free to use any "daffynition" you want to when discussing or explaining your own perversions and beliefs, but you do not get to redefine Catholic terms in order to prove your point.
Protestants even deny the Gospels, the very core of the early Church (Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr,etc.) as something that doesn't apply to Christains but onyl to the Jews. They have disowned the very essence of the Church and they call themsleves Christians!
I can't tell you how annoying it is to go to a page on the Catholic Encyclopedia site and get a google ad for mormonism...
Reformation was the Mother of all Relativism. It has completely separated conduct from faith (Luther: "pecca fortiter!"). The Reformed say the "saved" hate sin but they continue to do what they hate so much! It it was tragic, it would be a comedy of contradictions and just outright foolishness.
We also have to recognize that there are but a few these rabid anti-Catholics claiming a solidarity with mainstream Protestantism that simply does not exist.
ouch....
Thank you, Dr. —> Quix here was saying that the O was the “official Vatican voice” and indicating the Pope’s opinion.
You HONESTLY think God can be SPUN? That a human between you and God insures that you are being honest with God? This brings a whole new meaning to "clueless". Completely devoid of anything scriptural, including the nature of God. You know, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent.
"she entered the room and caused a flurry. The cracking of the mirrors caused her no small shame. It was her countenance; just the sound of her voice could cause the stickhorses to stampede. She silently cursed the burdens imposed upon this horrid existence called life. But secretly wished she could smile just once without chancing another crevice opening along the fault lines of her pursed lips." - The Case of the Very Bitter Life
Chapter One: Where Have All the Stickhorses Gone?
They’re such hypocrites. Pitching a fit when a Protestant makes any comment on whether someone else is saved and how Protestants shouldn’t judge others, and then go on to do the very thing they condemn in others.
Yeah, but then again when has Quix ever been right about anything?
With his words "do not be like the hypocrites...in public to be seen of men...in the synagogues...but in a closet" behind a closed door. Which part don't you understand?
His admonition is to not be like the hypocrites who pray to be seen. That’s a whole different issue
When I see people praying in public I see hypocrites praying to be seen. Obviously Jesus did too.
But considering your self-professed agnosticism, it puts you in no position to lecture others on truth or Bible interpretation
My agnosticism has to do with what God is. it is unrelated to the subject being discussed, namely Christian practices. It is neither a barrier to reading comprehension nor a prohibition from reminding others what is written in a book. The fact is, Christians pray in public, like the hypocrites Jesus spoke about.
By your standards, you are not qualified to comment or lecture Catholics or Muslims, or atheists, about their practices because you don't share their beliefs.
I don’t know if you’ve picked up on this yet, but nobody with any spiritual life in them takes you seriously
I don't take anyone who claims to have "spiritual life" seriously because there is nothing about them to define or prove such as phenomenon any more than someone who claims to be reincarnated Maria Antoinette.
The only thing I see for sure is that people who claim to have "spiritual life" practice the exact opposite what their God tells them to do.
Because a little voice in their head said so, or something to that effect.
It's a religion by men, for men about them, just the way man likes it.
Does this mean that there are those who are truly saved,Mark? And KNOW they are saved right now? How can you be saddened if you "know" some are truly lost if you are not "truly saved" and know it?
Ummm, because Jesus said it. I know that that is not an overriding concern in many Protestant minds, but here it is.
Matthew 7: 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So by their fruits you will know them. 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' 23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.'
Jesus knew and knows right at this moment.
If so, praise God, that you have been given the security of knowing you are truly saved. It's a very un-Catholic position, but how else to explain your knowledge of the "truly lost"..
It's called Scriptural knowledge; it is actually quite rare amongst the Bible Believers (tm) cadre, at least outside of the handful of verses that each individual bases his own individual beliefs on.
I'm pretty sure the little voice was saying, "it's gonna be tough to sell them on no prayers for the dead AND sola scriptura with prayers for the dead in the Bible."
Thank you. Each religion of men is a separate and distinct golden calf. Some are larger than others - the Crystal Cathedral comes to mind...
Oh that's very sweet of you, JA. But Protestants will tell you that doesn't apply to them because the Gospels were written for the Jews and are part of the Old Testament. They disown Jesus' own words. Amazing.
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