Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I wander around a lot of places...But wherever I go, Jesus is with me...You can't say that, can you???
Surprised you would make such a hog-washed statement Wagglebee, because that is what it is. But then understandable considering the resources of the faith you adhere to. Still, I wouldn't have thought you would stoop to this. Remarkable coming from you...just saying.
Worship also includes singing, giving, preaching, and Scripture reading.
Where did Jesus specifically prohibit public prayer in the Bible?
He doesn’t prohibit public prayer. His admonition is to not be like the hypocrites who pray to be seen. That’s a whole different issue.
Matthew 6:5”And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
But considering your self-professed agnosticism, it puts you in no position to lecture others on truth or Bible interpretation.
I don’t know if you’ve picked up on this yet, but nobody with any spiritual life in them takes you seriously. The only ones who do at the others who are having faith issues themselves.
I have never had an intelligible reply from any non Catholic anywhere anytime as to why they believe that the Canon of Scripture (minus the Lutheran hacking of the Deuterocanonicals) is actually the word of God complete and true.
According to Catholics, Jesus lives in a little white wafer they eat on Sunday mornings and he’s in them for only a few hours.....
They need to get recharged frequently.
Removing the plank from the eye of the catholic church is tough Wagglebee, least you forget the pedophiles and homosexual activity entrenched in the Catholic Church and protected by it's leadership.... and in full view of the audiences worldwide. Get the plank out of their eye then you will see clearly to get the plank out of others.
Many of these people have their own custom made gods. They do what the god du jour tells them.
I'm not having faith issues, and I take Kosta very seriously. Do you remember the parable of the sheep, how the Good Shepherd will leave the 99 to go search for the one who has wandered? I submit that Christ my Lord cares more for Kosta than for those others patting themselves on the back for hanging with the herd.
Oh, I agree - they are not Christian. To the extent that they profess the Creeds, they reword or more often define them to mean other than the authors meant. No more Christian than the LDS or JWs are.
I forgot to ping you to 13408, sorry. :(
Guess Stephen lied, eh???
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
You mock me because I believe the scriptures instead of believing the unGodly tripe put out by your religion??? Mock away...
The first Ecumenical Council prohibited kneeling on Sundays in order to have uniformity of worship. The reason for that is that the baptized are resurrected and are directed to pray standing. The Church is obligated to follow this since the declarations of the Ecumenical Councils are binding tot he whole Church.
The only exception or "violation" of this in the Catholic Church is during the concentration when everyone kneels. However, I have seen the same in some Greek churches in America that have pews.
Kneeling in Orthodox churches is specifically forbidden during the Pentecost including the Pentecostal Sunday.
Prostration is much more common in Eastern churches than kneeling (full prostration involves kneeling and bowing to the ground; partial prostration involves bending both knees and touching the ground with the right hand and the open palm pointing towards the altar).
These signs of respect are reserved only for God but I have seen some do partial prostration at the mention of Mary, which is WRONG!!! Otherwise, deep bows are the most common substitute for kneeling.
Oh, Mark, better get that kevlar helmet and flack jacket, quick! Incoming. We can't let the facts get in the way of tradition (of Calvinists)...
That's true. The talons of the harpies are noted for their utility as weapons, but their most outstanding feature is their extremely audible and piercing shrieks...
Another reason that Grace is indeed AMAZING! And it isn’t a coincidence that when we are reaching out to Him, REALIZING HE is our one and only safeline, He is ALREADY there. Almost like HE KNEW beforehand...Hmmmm...;)
Well said.
I said that many who purport to be Christians are laughable. I did not say that we true Christians are laughing; in fact, most of us are extremely saddened by the fact that there are so many who cry Lord, Lord and are truly lost due to their own hubris.
Going to man up, like the lady, or or you still lacking something that she possesses?
I want to add one more thing for your reading enjoyment(good stuff)
Greek Scribal Culture in Early Jewish and Early Christian Settings: Continuities and Discontinuities
for the conference on The Early Christian Book at the Catholic University of America, 7 June 2002
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/religious_studies/rak/jewishpap.html
Excerpts
Greek speaking (and reading) Jews existed for centuries within the Greco-Roman world and through the Byzantine period. We have a great deal of secondary evidence for them, from references by outsiders [show Stern, title page] and insiders, to copies (often made by Christians) of actual literary productions (Aristeas, Philo, Josephus, Paul, etc.). Primary evidence in the form of inscriptions, archaelogical remains, and the like is also abundant, especially from ancient Palestine.
Probably the most easily recognized literary activity of Greek Jews in antiquity relates to their translations and transmission of “scriptures,” although that category of writings is somewhat loosely defined in the earliest periods [LXX/OG title page?]. In addition to later references to and copies of these scriptures and related materials, we now have a significant body of actual fragments that almost certainly were produced, or at least commissioned and used, in Jewish circles. A more detailed treatment of these materials is available in my electronic report on “The ‘Textual Mechanics’ of Early Jewish LXX/OG Papyri and Fragments” from which most of what follows has been extracted and adapted.
And why would you say this?
Which of the following are not found in various Protestant denominations?
A. Elimination of confession to clergy.
B. Elimination of the belief that how we act can affect salvation.
C. Elimination of the belief pre-marital, extra-marital or homosexual sex is a sin.
D. Ordination of women.
It's strictly informational, "milking" for facts if you wish. There are no traps and tricks, never a hidden agenda. And I appreciate that.
I do know quote a bit about the Apostolic theology, and my opinions base don that knowledge are but one piece of the puzzle, as I see them when it comes to the Bible. I provide information that is accessible to me. What anyone does with it is up to them.
And yes, you have disagreed with me in the past and respectfully so without offense being levied at either one of us. Who could ask for more?
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