Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Cronos]

So, RN is not satisfied with quoting from a document akin to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? It’s funny to think that some pastors lie to their cult-followers to make them believe that there are secret societies around them! Rn —> see how their lies ring hollow!

[Quix]

Thanks for your exhortation.

[Iscool]

For instance, to take the first and most general example, who is thence who has taught us in writing to sign with the sign of the cross those who have trusted in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ? What writing has taught us to turn to the East at the prayer? Which of the saints has left us in writing the words of the invocation at the displaying of the bread of the Eucharist and the cup of blessing? For we are not, as is well known, content with what the apostle or the Gospel has recorded, but both in preface and conclusion we add other words as being of great importance to the validity of the ministry, and these we derive from unwritten teaching.

Unwritten teaching from whom???

In other words, you do not have any traditions handed down from the Apostles...And yet you name it 'Apostolic Tradition'...Your church fathers and councils thru out the centuries made stuff up and declared it Catholic doctrine and demanded Catholic believe the stuff without questioning the source...

What writing has taught us to turn to the East at the prayer?

You tell me...Muzlims pray towards the east...Here's some others that prayed toward the east...

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Does not this (Tradition) come from that unpublished and secret teaching which our fathers guarded in a silence out of the reach of curious meddling and inquisitive investigation? Well had they learned the lesson that the awful dignity of the mysteries is best preserved by silence. What the uninitiated are not even allowed to look at was hardly likely to be publicly paraded about in written documents.

So these 'traditions' have a secret, hidden source known by only a select few...

You ought to quit messin' with that stuff and stick with the God breathed words of the scriptures...

[Natural Law]

"ICON TO BEARING FALSE WITNESS."

You would be the expert in that, what with all of the practical experience. YOu accuse others of it as a diversionaly tactic when in reality you wallow in it. In your posting history there is no exculpatory evidence.

Your every posting is an opportunity to display your ignorance, some perverted pet theory, some an apparently latent homosexual tendency to redecorate the forum with "splashes of fonts, images, textures and colors that simply pop", all wrapped in an ongoing cliche drenched insult to the Church. When all of the hyperbole is stripped away and the kindergarten art project is taken down from your refrigerator door all that is left is a barely literate hit job on Catholics and the Catholic Church. You add nothing of meaning to the dialog except to provide numbers in support of those who post garbage like the False Oath of the KoC.

Validation of truthfulness of this posting will be when you counter it with an unauthorized posting of some old photo, or some multicolored nonsense with references to latex products, profane references to the Sacraments, offensive nicknames for Catholics and illegible fonts because you are unable to articulate an honest or cogent response.

[Iscool]

These "pastors" lie to you about verifiable things like history so blatantly, think how much they lie to you about scripture and Christ!

That's another area where you don't get it...

Unlike you, we have the option of checking what the pastor says with the word of God as the standard...

[Iscool]

LOL...

[Quix]

LONG LIVE
RCC
!!!!TRADITION!!!!
.

WAIL!
WHINE!
CRY!
.
.
.

RATHER THAN
.
face the issues
SQUARELY
and honorably.
.
IMPRESSIVE!
NOT!

[Iscool]

So are you, Iscool, saying that you also join editor in condemning Saint Ignatius as lost and also Saint Augustine? I wonder what Dr. Eckleburg, Forest Keeper, HarleyD etc. who like other Christians refer to Saint Augustine would think about this --> do you guys also agree with Iscool that +Augustine is "irrelevant"?

I don't think you could even prove Ignatius ever existed...Much of the writing attributed to him was proven to be written a hundred years after his death...

[Cronos]

Iscool: The more you post of Augustine, the irrelevant he becomes...


Isn't it marvellous how the Kirk of One and the other fringe groups here on this thread (since Protestant groups like Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. are conspiciously absent and even Baptists are nearly absent, we just have groups of 1 like the Kirk of Iscool and the amazing shrinking OPC represented).

Isn't it amazing how they all have the same refrain? viz. they say "If some guy doesn't agree with my own interpretation of the few verses in the bible I read and understood, then he must be irrelevant"

[Quix]

BTW,

Thanks for more than ‘mind reading’ about the sexuality.

That’s real impressive.

Are you trying out for Jr psychologist somewhere?

I suggest not quitting your day job.

LOL.

[Natural Law]

Validation of truthfulness of this posting will be when you counter it with an unauthorized posting of some old photo, or some multicolored nonsense with references to latex products, profane references to the Sacraments, offensive nicknames for Catholics and illegible fonts because you are unable to articulate an honest or cogent response."

You just can't help stepping in it can you? (BTW- Posting like Yoda doesn't make one look smart, rather it makes one look in need of professional help)

[Cronos]

Ah, stfassisi -- Iscool did point out that anyone who wrote anything that Iscool disagrees with (or perhaps may not follow) is "irrelevant".

perhaps you, Iscool, since you say that the Councils "made up stuff", disagree with the "made up stuff" you may think of like the Trinity, the Bible, the Nicene Creed. Do you?

Do you believe there was a great apostasy in the First Century (since you disbelieve +Ignatius who lived from AD 35 to 108) or even earlier?

[wmfights]

If you get to define our terms your way, you’ll be able to prove anything you want.

If we let your church's definitions stand we will be as lost as you guys. I rather be saved by The Gospel.

[Natural Law]

"Thanks for more than ‘mind reading’ about the sexuality."

Not mind reading, just reading the multicolored writing on the wall. (unless you are a 13 year old girl writing in pink ink and dotting your i's with little hearts isn't normal)

[OLD REGGIE]

"So would you then say the ecclesiastical leadership is immune to personal experiences,culture and language? Do they not bring their own doctrinal and personal prejustice with them ?"

Of course they are not immune, that is why all three; Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium are needed. Together they insulate one another against intentional and unintentional distortion of the revealed Word.

Scripture is subject to interpretation by the Magisterium.

Tradition is defined, and at times invented, by the Magisterium.

The Magisterium consists of mere men who are subject to many influences, some of them suspect.

It is a human system subject to human failures.

[Legatus]

an apparently latent homosexual tendency to redecorate the forum with "splashes of fonts, images, textures and colors that simply pop"

Ok, can we NOT do this please? I admit I laughed out loud when I read it but we're about one step away from yelling "HOMO!" at each other as it is... I realize that final step has been taken but maybe we could go back up a step or two?

Yeah, Quix's posts confuse me to the point that sometimes I need to call in a team of Egyptologists to provide translations but I do think he's legitimately experimenting with reworking written communication... sometimes the "experimentation" takes on Walter Bishop characteristics (I hope people know that reference because I could watch that character shop for 3 hours and consider it a Thursday night well spent) and I think he's going too far altogether but the way we communicate in written form is going to change dramatically in the next few years and, heaven help us, the future is going to look a lot more like Quix than the WSJ Stylebook.

[Natural Law]

"Are you trying out for Jr psychologist somewhere?"

No, I have a real job that makes real contributions to society.

[Natural Law]

" the way we communicate in written form is going to change dramatically in the next few years..."

Yeah, but I'll bet that it won't end up looking like a San Francisco ransom note.

[Cronos]

Ha! Ha! Aren’t you the guy who said St. Augustine was irrelevant because he disagreed with you? Do you also disagree with the Bible when it disagrees with your opinions? Do you consider the Epistle of James to be an “epistle of straw”?

[wmfights]

It's not a trick question and it isn't hard, whether you follow the discussion or not.

Then why is it RC's don't know and believe The Gospel?

On everyone of these never ending threads RC's get asked this most fundamental question and they can't answer it. The answer is obvious to me your church teaches a different gospel. Your church takes elements of The Gospel and adds "buts", "maybe's" and "also's".

I can't do anything to help those that are in darkness other than preach The Gospel and pray that the Holy Spirit quickens those that listen. The rest who have placed their faith in bricks, rituals, and customs are as damned as the rest of the world's unbelievers.